Different Kind of Drug Dealing in The Villages, Florida

[Markola]

^^^^^^ And maybe helmets, eh? Very interesting lifestyle you have there!

 

[Koolau]

Shouldn't the title of this thread have started with "Florida Man..."?



I'd heard of the blindness side effect, but I thought that was only slightly related to... Oh, never mind.

Yeah, I quit once I had to wear glasses.

 

[brett]

I do not understand the motivation/economics of this.

I am told that a generic brand ED prescription can be filled for an approx. cost of $3-$4USD per pill. 50mg.

So...where is the financial benefit or the incentive to black marketing the product?

Was he buying them for $3 or $4 and selling them for $5 or $7 per? Who would pay that??

Making it up in volume Hardly worth the effort.

Any joe can pay a visit to his physician and voila he has a prescription.

 

[Markola]

^^^^ You’re saying it’s hard to know who gets stiffed at The Villages?

I’ll show myself out..

 

[DrRoy]

Punny story.

 

[Sunset]

I do not understand the motivation/economics of this.

I am told that a generic brand ED prescription can be filled for an approx. cost of $3-$4USD per pill. 50mg.

So...where is the financial benefit or the incentive to black marketing the product?

Was he buying them for $3 or $4 and selling them for $5 or $7 per? Who would pay that??

Making it up in volume Hardly worth the effort.

Any joe can pay a visit to his physician and voila he has a prescription.

Buy counterfeit pills for $0.25 each and sell for $5 each.

Remember in USA a visit to a physician can easily cost $25 co-pay and without insurance it's $100->$200 just to talk.

 

[GenXguy]

I get the funny jokes, but are the Feds seriously going after a 77 yo for $1,800 of Viagra (or what ever)? How about fentanyl?

Yes, $1800 on prescription drugs seems like some very small potatoes. It's pretty common these days for people to order prescription drugs online without a prescription or get them elsewhere where a prescription isn't required. A year in prison? Seems very overkill.

 

[brett]

Yes, $1800 on prescription drugs seems like some very small potatoes. It's pretty common these days for people to order prescription drugs online without a prescription or get them elsewhere where a prescription isn't required. A year in prison? Seems very overkill.

When a story does not make sense it is usually a good indication that there is data missing.

Anyone going to their physician for any reason, check up or whatever, can get an Rx for ED just by asking. No special appt. needed just include it with the visit.

 

[GenXguy]

Anyone going to their physician for any reason, check up or whatever, can get an Rx for ED just by asking. No special appt. needed just include it with the visit.

The guy did not have a prescription, but it's a common thing for people to obtain prescription drugs without a prescription, and $1800 on prescription drugs isn't that much. Seems like small potatoes, and I don't normally hear about people getting arrested for this. There was even a recent thread here about ordering prescription drugs from outside of the country.

 

[Time2]

Seems to be the opposite thing:

Birth control pills stop babies from being born.
Viagra encourages creating babies.

Highly unlikely unless the old guy can find a 35 yr old lady.

 

[Sunset]

The guy did not have a prescription, but it's a common thing for people to obtain prescription drugs without a prescription, and $1800 on prescription drugs isn't that much. Seems like small potatoes, and I don't normally hear about people getting arrested for this. There was even a recent thread here about ordering prescription drugs from outside of the country.

It's not that he got prescription drugs without a prescription for his own usage. He was selling them or going to sell them.
It's being a dealer that is the issue.

Maybe this was all they could actually catch him on at the time. Perhaps he has already had other shipments that alerted them.

 

[aja8888]

Maybe the pills were all fake....Remember the "Bob" commercials?
https://youtu.be/fgZP2DPsnRE?feature=shared

 

[GenXguy]

It's not that he got prescription drugs without a prescription for his own usage. He was selling them or going to sell them.
It's being a dealer that is the issue.

I think obtaining prescription drugs without a prescription is an issue also, even if you don't plan to sell them.

 

[aja8888]

I think obtaining prescription drugs without a prescription is an issue also, even if you don't plan to sell them.

My daughter knew a gal several years ago the stole a prescription pad from a doctor's office and started writing her own prescriptions and trying to get them filled at pharmacies. She got awarded a long stretch in a state jail (several years).

 

[Koolau]

Yes, $1800 on prescription drugs seems like some very small potatoes. It's pretty common these days for people to order prescription drugs online without a prescription or get them elsewhere where a prescription isn't required. A year in prison? Seems very overkill.

Swallow a camel and gag at a gnat. Your gummint at w*rk.

I always figured ridiculous things like this are because, let's face it, gummint w*rkers are just as lazy as everyone else who w*rks. If they get a chance to make a case and never have to draw a gun or break down a door - well, breaking down doors is fun, so... - why WOULDN'T they go for low hanging fruit. A 77 year old guy isn't gonna 1)run 2) resist 3) pull a weapon 4) have a gang 5) fight 6) Have Johnny Cochran on speed dial.

Heh, heh, I think the statute of limitations has long passed so I'll admit that BFF and I once exchanged a Cialis (mine) for Viagra (his) to see if we could tell the difference. THAT is technically "selling" them. It turned out neither one of us actually needed them anyway. What a disappointment!

Midnight, secret-weapon my foot.

 

[MichaelB]

Swallow a camel and gag at a gnat. Your gummint at w*rk.

I always figured ridiculous things like this are because, let's face it, gummint w*rkers are just as lazy as everyone else who w*rks. If they get a chance to make a case and never have to draw a gun or break down a door - well, breaking down doors is fun, so... - why WOULDN'T they go for low hanging fruit. A 77 year old guy isn't gonna 1)run 2) resist 3) pull a weapon 4) have a gang 5) fight 6) Have Johnny Cochran on speed dial.

Heh, heh, I think the statute of limitations has long passed so I'll admit that BFF and I once exchanged a Cialis (mine) for Viagra (his) to see if we could tell the difference. THAT is technically "selling" them. It turned out neither one of us actually needed them anyway. What a disappointment!

Midnight, secret-weapon my foot.

From the shoplifting discussions I thought you supported prosecuting all types of crime, even low value. Law enforcement (gummint) errs because it does too much, and it errs because it does too little.

Allowing lawlessness means there really is no law.

 

[pb4uski]

Highly unlikely unless the old guy can find a 35 yr old lady.

I've always liked this one:

 

[Car-Guy]

^^^^
Dang sure would make me hit the books.

 

[6miths]

I do not understand the motivation/economics of this.

I am told that a generic brand ED prescription can be filled for an approx. cost of $3-$4USD per pill. 50mg.

So...where is the financial benefit or the incentive to black marketing the product?

Was he buying them for $3 or $4 and selling them for $5 or $7 per? Who would pay that??

Making it up in volume Hardly worth the effort.

Any joe can pay a visit to his physician and voila he has a prescription.

One of my stops when visiting foreign countries is the local pharmacy/chemist to see what meds are OTC and what the costs are. Sometimes very eye opening. Viagara and Cialis generics are OTC in several African countries I have visited and costs were in the 25 to 50 cent range per pill pre-Covid.

 

[CaptTom]

From the shoplifting discussions I thought you supported prosecuting all types of crime, even low value...

I didn't read it that way...

...I always figured ridiculous things like this are because, let's face it, gummint w*rkers are just as lazy as everyone else who w*rks...

I was about to make the same point. It's just far easier to go after low-level crime in nicer neighborhoods.

When the cops knock on my front door, I'm going to answer. I'm going to be polite, and probably a little scared. I'm going to be compliant.

In some neighborhoods, when the cops knock on the front door, the suspect sneaks out the back. If they barge in, they could be caught in a gunfight. The suspect might have buddies who are sneaking up behind the cops. The suspect isn't going to cooperate, and will probably fight back.

You only have time to make one such visit. Which one would you choose?

Another example: Think of all the state police officers you've seen in the past month. What were they doing?

Right. Sitting by the side of the road with their radar guns. Radar is prima facia evidence in court. Most defendants never even show up to contest the ticket. It's the easiest law to enforce. So all those other laws are simply ignored.

 

[brett]

One of my stops when visiting foreign countries is the local pharmacy/chemist to see what meds are OTC and what the costs are. Sometimes very eye opening. Viagara and Cialis generics are OTC in several African countries I have visited and costs were in the 25 to 50 cent range per pill pre-Covid.

Agree. We have purchased drugs that are prescription in Canada. In the UK, Portugal, Malaysia, and Brazil. In two instances my spouse was surprised because the drug was controlled in Canada and counted at the end of nursing shifts in hospital. It was dispensed by a druggist.

In all instances the costs were considerably less that what we had been paying in Canada. Not 15 or 20 percent less. More like 50-75 percent less.

My feeling is that in NA there is a concerted effort by drug firms to keep certain products as prescription only in order to boost prices. No wonder, given the incredible amount of media adverts for prescription only medication.

 

[Sunset]

^^^^^^ ha ha ha,, Made me realize, I've rarely / never seen ads pushing the use of Aspirin. !!

 

[Koolau]

From the shoplifting discussions I thought you supported prosecuting all types of crime, even low value.

I think you know what I was referring to when we were talking shoplifting.

There is a big difference between stealing a $grand worth of merchandise and breaking the resale rules. Besides, I was mostly referring to the wholesale "flashmob" shoplifting we are seeing that is shutting down retail stores rather than locking some poor guy up for stealing an apple because he's hungry. It's a matter of degrees and also a matter of law enforcement resources. It takes as long to arrest and process the hungry guy as it does to arrest the guy in the hoody stealing Channel for resale across the street. Degrees and resources.

Today's criminals are taking advantage of the relaxed rules ($950 or less and they won't even prosecute shop lifting in many states - and no cash bail so you can be back shoplifting that evening.) Selling your pills may be illegal, but it's not "evil" as long as they're not counterfeit. Just like I know most of us here drive 5 mph over and don't even think about it. Yeah, it's illegal, but LEO resources being what they are, it's more important to grab the guy who's weaving in and out of traffic rather than the whole group that's going 5 over. Degrees and resources.

Just as much effort goes into nabbing some "entrepreneur" reselling blue pills as it does to bust a guy carrying enough fentanyl to kill San Francisco 3 times over. Which one should be the emphasis? Degrees and resources.

Yeah, if you've got the time and resource, get the blue-pill guy too. But, not while there are half a dozen of the fentanyl guys coming in every day. Get some perspective. Gnat and Camel - they may both be "swallowable" under the right circumstances, but should you go for the gnats FIRST? I think not.

Degrees and resources, baby. Degrees and resources. YMMV

 

[Alan]

Thanks for the interesting discussion.