99% of people have no interest in learning how to get rich slowly, with sacrifice. On the other hand, if you know how to get rich quick with no sacrifice, they'd be interested.
Ain't that the truth!
99% of people have no interest in learning how to get rich slowly, with sacrifice. On the other hand, if you know how to get rich quick with no sacrifice, they'd be interested.
People that really care about wealth accumulation will figure it out on their own, like the people on this forum did/do.
I believe financial conversations bore most people. Hence the poor finances of most Americans
Timing is everything. What if this happened in 2008 and she sold in a panic in the crash? Then you'd have been the heel that destroyed her retirement.........I’m glad I stuck my nose in.. It still gives ma a good feeling.
Timing is everything. What if this happened in 2008 and she sold in a panic in the crash? Then you'd have been the heel that destroyed her retirement.
I try to get people to at least think about when they want to retire. Most just think, "I"ll work until I can't", or "I'll work until I qualify for SS". It's amazing to me how many smart, technical, STEM, and even finance folks can manage millions of dollars in projects, but can't or don't plant adequately for thier own retirement, or even think about what they want to do then!
This is classic for people wanting to alleviate their anxiety by wanting you to support their behavior. If someone wanted advice they would actually do something differently.
I put questions about money in the same bucket as questions about property lines. The emotional response is highly idiosyncratic and even knowing someone for many years you can't know how anyone will respond.
So the only thing I have found helpful is to help build a financial spreadsheet with cash flow and balances with my friends and relatives who ask. It seems neutral enough to make an impact.
I did give advice once to a friend who is a cardiologist and got a $100K bonus. He asked me what to do and I told him to put it in VTMFX. He told me it was too risky so instead invested in a rubber glove factory in China and promptly lost everything.
Yesterday a friend, who I know from high school, called me about buying a rental property. She is a psychologist and works as a therapist. She is not a money or a numbers person, but she knows that I am. She told me that she isn't earning enough on her financial investments. She thinks that she's earning 5%. At first we discussed the basics of real estate investing. The property that she has in mind sounds okay to me. She could buy it for cash. She owns her own house free and clear and she inherited her mother's house free and clear and rents it out. I asked her what percentage of her assets would be in real estate but she didn't know. I asked her what she has for other investments but she didn't know. She told me that she has a financial adviser that she pays a percentage to and they make the investment decisions. I suggested that the first thing to do is to access her situation, create a balance sheet and income statement. She has never done this. Next I asked her to read her financial statements and give me a list of the investment ticker symbols and the number of shares and I'd estimate her income and risk. She's never done this and wants to fax me the statements. I have not seen them yet but I gather that they are from the adviser and not from brokerages. She told me that she transferred her investment money to the adviser, I guess to an account that the adviser controls. From what she said the adviser is an independent planner who some of her work friends use. I told her that I didn't advise giving this control to someone or paying a percentage. It's okay to pay for advise but she should have control over her trades and accounts. She told me that she's comfortable with this person making the decisions. She did send me a high level list of what she has. Currently she has 5% cash, 42% investments of type unknown, and 53% real estate. She's done alright and has about $1.3 million net worth. Once I get the statements I'll look up the tickers and see what interest and dividends they pay and how risky they are. The money for the real estate if she bought it would come from the money that is with the adviser. I'd probably advise against any more real estate and I have advised against giving a blanket power of attorney to an adviser. I don't plan to give advise on individual investments, but I do think that people should be aware of their allocations, income and risk and they should have contingency plans. During our discussion she told me that an adviser talked her mother into selling her blue chip stocks that she had owned forever and he sold her annuities. There went the inheritance. Her husband was a house flipper who got totally wiped out in 2009. He's of course reluctant to buy more real estate. I guess I'm wondering if people on here have had similar discussions with friends and how that went.
I really was not interested in investing or retirement or anything having to do with money. What an idiot 30-year-old self was. So there was a pretty big market swing down and all my mutual funds lost money repeatedly for months. At the bottom I sold them all and blamed him.
This person you want to help is willing to cede complete control to someone else, without understanding anything. Just ask yourself what will happen if she takes your advice and it doesn't seem to pan out in the short term.
StopShe did send me a high level list of what she has. Currently she has 5% cash, 42% investments of type unknown, and 53% real estate.