How much is Medicare and all that goes with it?

I think the main problem with Medicare Advantage plans is the limited networks. When I looked at the Advantage plans available to be all of them appeared to have very limited networks.

Not all. It just depends. Mine is a PPO so no real network. No requirement for a PCP to refer to a specialist. I don't even have a PCP right now since mine moved to Va Beach. I had carpal tunnel revision surgery last month. Just called up the hand specialist, got an appointment, he ran all sorts of tests (x-rays, MRI, CT, nerve test, etc), had surgery last month. Now doing PT. My max OOP is $1,200. Even after surgery I will not hit my max OOP. Close, but not quite. I have zero complaints about my Medicare Advantage policy.
 
Medicare is so much less money than we were spending before:

Part B - $148.50 x 2 for DH and me

Plan G Supplement - $381.44 covers both DH and me. DH has Plan F while I have G (so I pay the deductible of $203 per year). This is with AARP United Healthcare

Part D - I pay $19.50 a month for a plan that I currently don't use any prescription medications. DH pays $0 for Part D as it is a benefit provided by his former employer.

With Plan F and G we have no co-payments at all.

I have an HRA that I get each year from DH's former employer that ends up paying for my Part B, my Part D and almost all of a vision plan.

Neither he nor I take any regular Part D prescription medications so things would be more if we did.
 
I think the main problem with Medicare Advantage plans is the limited networks. When I looked at the Advantage plans available to be all of them appeared to have very limited networks.

That is a problem, but not the only problem. The problem is that if you return to traditional Medicare you can't get a supplement without underwriting (except in limited circumstances which don't apply if you just decide you don't want Medicare Advantage).
 
Part A (Hospital or Inpatient) care: The premium is $0 for most people but the deductible is $1494 per benefit period. There could be more than one benefit period per year during a bad year.

Part B (Medical Services) The premium is $148.50 per month for most people. There is also a 20% coinsurance. The premium is means tested. It is not uncommon to pay an IRMAA premium if an individual has a pension, is taking social security and has investments that are throwing off income. The minimum threshold for IRMAA for an individual this year is $88,000. At $88,001 the part B premium jumpts to $207.90.

Part B also has an annual deductible of $203.00.

A key point for those who take Medicare Part A and B (also known as original Medicare) is that there is not an out-of-pocket maximum. During a bad year the deductibles and coinsurance can add up.

Medigap insurance is medically underwritten and fills the financial holes in original Medicare. There are 10 Medigap plans. The most comprehensive plan for an individual turning 65 today is plan G. In my state the cost is $165. per month for a 65 year old male. If you don't buy Medigap insurance during your first period of eligibility you may not be able to get it in the future.

For those who prefer to pay everything through a premium with no copays or coinsurance: Part A + Part B + Medigap G = $3762.00 per year plus the $203 Part B deductible. The maximum out of pocket expense in this scenario is $203 per year.

Part D is prescription drugs. The costs change year to year and should be reviewed every year. Most of the numbers I've seen on the other posts only list the premium which is misleading. The best way to price drugs is the total cost of the drugs which includes the premium and the coinsurance. The best tool to use for drug costs during open season is the drug finder tool at medicare.gov. SHIP counselors can also be helpful.

Medicare Advantage Plan (Part C) have an entirely different cost structure. There is often a low or no premium outside of the Part B deductible. The plans use copays extensively. Advantage plans have a network of physicians, and offer managed care which includes things like preauthorization of services. If an individual has a healthy year the Advantage plan may be less expensive than Original Medicare. During an bad year the opposite may be the case.

I am a volunteer Medicare counselor for a federal program called SHIP (State Health Insurance Assistance Program) that provides grant funding to the states. The funding is used to establish programs that provide one on one counseling to current and future Medicare beneficiaries. This information is also provided through various outreach events. The intent is to provide free and unbiased information about Medicare to help individuals make informed Medicare decisions. SHIP volunteers do not endorse insurance companies or products.

I mention SHIP because if you're at that stage of life where you are attempting to figure out how you are going to give back to your community you may find that becoming a SHIP volunteer is a great choice.



Thank you, very informative post. DH is 62 and I’m 60 so not quite there yet but good information.
 
I think the main problem with Medicare Advantage plans is the limited networks. When I looked at the Advantage plans available to be all of them appeared to have very limited networks.

Depends where one lives.
My DGF is on a Medicare Advantage plan and has access to close to unlimited doctors in our area.

Edit - it is a PPO plan.
 
When I did the math, I would have to max out my 4400 OOP max on my Medicare Advantage PPO plan 7 times before it would make sense for me to buy Medigap G plan instead. I decided if I maxed it out 7 times, I'm likely not going to make it to the eighth time.

That's strange... our Medigap is less than $200/month and even my 90 yo mother's Medigap is less than $300/month.... in all cases less than your $4,400 OOP max.
 
Age 66. CapBlueCross Medicare Advantage. High copays, like $350 for MRI. But doctor visits are only $10 and blood tests are only $10. $148 per month for Part B, and no premium for my MA plan. It comes with dental. I used the dental successfully until a crown was denied (that they said would be approved) and I am stressing out now appealing it. Other than the dental, I have only used the insurance for blood tests ($10) and wellness visit (free). No surprises or denials on those two items, luckily. Considering changing to medigap Plan N, which people here say is 'stress free' but of course no dental with medigap. Would have to pass underwriting, but I think I would.
 
After the initial enrollment period in most states you have to pass underwriting to change Medicare supplements and to change from an Advantage plan to a traditional plan. DH and I just went through underwriting to change from Mutual of Omaha supplement (premiums went up a lot) to AARP/UHC. I was very healthy at the time and was approved to change (might not be able to change now because I am having back issues). DH was not approved to change because doctor had recommended knee replacement. DH has now had knee replacement so he will reapply to change in the future once he is released from his doctor.
 
Drug costs for cancer

We have spent this week working on this exact issue - will be transitioning DW to Medicare A, B, D and G starting July 1. She is a cancer patient and one of her drugs is a Tier 5 specialty medication taken at home. Bottom line will be $18,000.00 per year for premiums, deductibles, and co-pays.
 
I'm assuming the prices you are all listing are per person. So I need to double those for my wife and I, correct?

There is no Family Plan on medicare... everyone is treated like single payer...

you double the number if its you and spouse... so around $1100 or more total per month...

be careful about how much you report to the IRS... medicare uses the figures from the IRS two years back.... so if you made lots of money before you turned 65 you could end up with a large monthly bill you didn't count on... my medicare $148/mo was actually over $500/mo for the first year... then I had to watch how much money I pulled from the retirement funds to keep medicare down to $148.... for some reason the government likes to fine you if you actually saved money while working...

also don't make the mistake some people do... they think that medicare (B) is all they need and don't get anything else.... thats an easy way to go bankrupt overnight if you get sick because medicare doesn't pay for hardly any bills...but those hospitals /doctors still want their money... and you will pay for it out of pocket if you don't get the supplemental coverages...
 
I'd love to see some real life example of what people are spending for basic Medicare, supplements, drug plans, and any other add-ons and bells and whistles that are out there.

Monthly

Part B $148.50
Part G $105.37
Part D $7.30


Total $261.17
 
For me and my wife Medicare plus supplement plus prescription plan is a total of $7,200 per year. That compares to the private insurance we had prior to turning 65 which cost us $16,000 per year.
 
Part A (Hospital or Inpatient) care: The premium is $0 for most people but the deductible is $1494 per benefit period. There could be more than one benefit period per year during a bad year.

Part B (Medical Services) The premium is $148.50 per month for most people. There is also a 20% coinsurance. The premium is means tested. It is not uncommon to pay an IRMAA premium if an individual has a pension, is taking social security and has investments that are throwing off income. The minimum threshold for IRMAA for an individual this year is $88,000. At $88,001 the part B premium jumpts to $207.90.

Part B also has an annual deductible of $203.00.

A key point for those who take Medicare Part A and B (also known as original Medicare) is that there is not an out-of-pocket maximum. During a bad year the deductibles and coinsurance can add up.

Medigap insurance is medically underwritten and fills the financial holes in original Medicare. There are 10 Medigap plans. The most comprehensive plan for an individual turning 65 today is plan G. In my state the cost is $165. per month for a 65 year old male. If you don't buy Medigap insurance during your first period of eligibility you may not be able to get it in the future.

For those who prefer to pay everything through a premium with no copays or coinsurance: Part A + Part B + Medigap G = $3762.00 per year plus the $203 Part B deductible. The maximum out of pocket expense in this scenario is $203 per year.

Part D is prescription drugs. The costs change year to year and should be reviewed every year. Most of the numbers I've seen on the other posts only list the premium which is misleading. The best way to price drugs is the total cost of the drugs which includes the premium and the coinsurance. The best tool to use for drug costs during open season is the drug finder tool at medicare.gov. SHIP counselors can also be helpful.

Medicare Advantage Plan (Part C) have an entirely different cost structure. There is often a low or no premium outside of the Part B deductible. The plans use copays extensively. Advantage plans have a network of physicians, and offer managed care which includes things like preauthorization of services. If an individual has a healthy year the Advantage plan may be less expensive than Original Medicare. During an bad year the opposite may be the case.

I am a volunteer Medicare counselor for a federal program called SHIP (State Health Insurance Assistance Program) that provides grant funding to the states. The funding is used to establish programs that provide one on one counseling to current and future Medicare beneficiaries. This information is also provided through various outreach events. The intent is to provide free and unbiased information about Medicare to help individuals make informed Medicare decisions. SHIP volunteers do not endorse insurance companies or products.

I mention SHIP because if you're at that stage of life where you are attempting to figure out how you are going to give back to your community you may find that becoming a SHIP volunteer is a great choice.

Thank you for this informative post.
 
Medigap insurance is medically underwritten and fills the financial holes in original Medicare. There are 10 Medigap plans.

If you get it at the beginning when you first go on Medicare, it is not underwritten. You can sign up for any plan.
 
one last item that I forgot...... at least this is my experience every single year during the enrolment time frame...
medicare tells you what its going to cost for the coming year.. $148 for this year and it does not change during the year..
the supplements have played cost tricks every single year... you go online and you pick the plan and sign up... you think you know what you signed up for and you see the cost right there on the web site.... then a few months later they all change their costs... not by a lot but they have changed it on me every single year... so right down what you signed up for and adjust that dollar figure up just a little so you don't feel too cheated when they send you mailing telling you the price you signed on for isn't what your really going to pay...again.. its not much, but you still feel cheated a little bit...
 
$148.50 each = $297/month.

If you are Tricare eligible, TFL pays for the other 20%, thanks for he generosity of your American neighbors. As I am finding out (at age 76), TFL pays many dollars for all kinds of medical procedures.
 
$148.50 each = $297/month.

If you are Tricare eligible, TFL pays for the other 20%, thanks for he generosity of your American neighbors. As I am finding out (at age 76), TFL pays many dollars for all kinds of medical procedures.


Hi. I will be on TFL starting in 2022. My understanding at this time is that it also acts as a PART-D. Is that correct?
 
My husband and I live in NH. We have Medicare Parts A and B, both of us have plan G with Anthem (and get a tiny discount for being with the same carrier) and both have Part D prescription drug plans with inexpensive premiums as we are not big prescription users. Total for all for the 2 of us comes to about $600 per month.
 
Total Medicare costs - $286.25

Medicare - $148.50
Part G Medigap - 137.75

No Medicare part D as I use the VA.

I primarily use the VA for my healthcare although I must keep Medicare coverage or face penalties in the future. The VA gives me a physical and bloodwork on 9 month intervals these days. They had my two cancer surgeries on my nose done at a civilian surgery clinic in December at no cost to me. I just received notification today that I am being refunded all of my co-pay charges for the past 12 months which amounts to a whole $8.64 but the thought was good.
 
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We have spent this week working on this exact issue - will be transitioning DW to Medicare A, B, D and G starting July 1. She is a cancer patient and one of her drugs is a Tier 5 specialty medication taken at home. Bottom line will be $18,000.00 per year for premiums, deductibles, and co-pays.

Is that only paying the drug as catastrophic after the first 6550. You would only pay 5% of the drug cost after 6550. I am surprised that wouldn't be a
part B drug and covered in full. Self administered may be the reason it is defaulting to part D.

Very sorry to hear of your wife's cancer.
 
When I started at age 65

104.50 Part B
12.60 Part D (bare bones - no serious med needs)
70.00 MediGap F (high deductible)
--------------
187.10 monthly

At age 72

148.50 Part B
17.60 Part D
96.00 MediGap F (high deductible)
--------------
262.10 montly

40% increase while SS has increased 10%
 
Hi. I will be on TFL starting in 2022. My understanding at this time is that it also acts as a PART-D. Is that correct?

Yes, Tricare for Life has its own formulary which acts as a Part D.

I assume you will turn 65 in 2022 and that you are a military retiree. If this is the case you will need to update your military ID card prior to turning 65.
 
Being a military retiree promised free health care for life if I made it a career (during Vietnam) I am not happy with Medicare. We retired to Hungary and Medicare doesn't work outside the US (except Puerto Rico). However, I am eligible to have Tricare Overseas if we each pay a monthly Part B supplement to Medicare once we reached age 65. I tried using TRICARE which is so awful it is beyond description. It costs an additional $600 per person per year plus an annual deductible of $1,200 plus the Part B payment ($148.50 each) to get 60% for allowable costs covered with a lot of limitations. To use it you use your regular medical visits/emergencies etc., pay for it, then submit a claim for the total. The error rate on claims runs over 400% (meaning even after resubmitting 4 times it is still wrong). They subcontracted it to a private contractor that is awful and has claim adjustors that do not even understand that in the entire rest of the world that a comma is used for decimals. Only the US uses periods. They also have no ability to translate Hungarian but refuse to let the claimant do the translations. They also do not understand currency conversion rates. I believe the military health care system set this up deliberately to make it completely unusable. They also added a requirement that only claims paid by check or credit cards will be paid. Cash receipts are no longer accepted. Here in Hungary, the medical system is a government National Health Care plan which we are ineligible to participate in not being citizens. Citizens pay roughly $25 a month for complete coverage to get excellent care. So, we use the same public system but must pay cash. The government is not set up for payments so it is always a struggle to get this paid for and always only using cash) or use private doctors/clinics that also are mostly cash only. Because these are (mostly although credit cards are slowly being accepted) cash payments, nothing is covered by TRICARE so I told them to shove it. We both get letters from the US government at least monthly trying to get us to re-enroll so we must not be alone in this regard.

On the plus side, medical treatments are really cheap and far below even just the Part B payment. The quality is as good as anywhere else although the facilities are generally drab no-frills and usually the lights are off during the day, windows open as there is no air conditioning etc. I am used to it having worked in military hospitals most of my life which were similar although are becoming Americanized and like luxury hotels now. When you don't have these enormous expenses it is a lot cheaper to run. Also, all physicians are government employees and on fixed salaries which are modest. They stay as they love their country and are in it to help people and not get rich something that has been lost in the West and especially the US.
 
Yes, Tricare for Life has its own formulary which acts as a Part D.

I assume you will turn 65 in 2022 and that you are a military retiree. If this is the case you will need to update your military ID card prior to turning 65.

Thanx. just wanted to double check. My current ID expires a month before I turn 65 so it's already on my To-Do List
 
Being a military retiree promised free health care for life if I made it a career (during Vietnam) I am not happy with Medicare. We retired to Hungary and Medicare doesn't work outside the US (except Puerto Rico). However, I am eligible to have Tricare Overseas if we each pay a monthly Part B supplement to Medicare once we reached age 65. I tried using TRICARE which is so awful it is beyond description. It costs an additional $600 per person per year plus an annual deductible of $1,200 plus the Part B payment ($148.50 each) to get 60% for allowable costs covered with a lot of limitations. To use it you use your regular medical visits/emergencies etc., pay for it, then submit a claim for the total. The error rate on claims runs over 400% (meaning even after resubmitting 4 times it is still wrong). They subcontracted it to a private contractor that is awful and has claim adjustors that do not even understand that in the entire rest of the world that a comma is used for decimals. Only the US uses periods. They also have no ability to translate Hungarian but refuse to let the claimant do the translations. They also do not understand currency conversion rates. I believe the military health care system set this up deliberately to make it completely unusable. They also added a requirement that only claims paid by check or credit cards will be paid. Cash receipts are no longer accepted. Here in Hungary, the medical system is a government National Health Care plan which we are ineligible to participate in not being citizens. Citizens pay roughly $25 a month for complete coverage to get excellent care. So, we use the same public system but must pay cash. The government is not set up for payments so it is always a struggle to get this paid for and always only using cash) or use private doctors/clinics that also are mostly cash only. Because these are (mostly although credit cards are slowly being accepted) cash payments, nothing is covered by TRICARE so I told them to shove it. We both get letters from the US government at least monthly trying to get us to re-enroll so we must not be alone in this regard.

On the plus side, medical treatments are really cheap and far below even just the Part B payment. The quality is as good as anywhere else although the facilities are generally drab no-frills and usually the lights are off during the day, windows open as there is no air conditioning etc. I am used to it having worked in military hospitals most of my life which were similar although are becoming Americanized and like luxury hotels now. When you don't have these enormous expenses it is a lot cheaper to run. Also, all physicians are government employees and on fixed salaries which are modest. They stay as they love their country and are in it to help people and not get rich something that has been lost in the West and especially the US.


That's quite the rant...after all there aren't many countries besides the US, how much taxpayer money did you want to sink into making sure this works flawlessly. They did offer you an option outside the US and you choose not to use it. Expat life has it's pros and cons, that's just a fact.
 
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