EastWest Gal
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
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We should consider Walden Pond...
We have friends that have their forever home less than a mile from Squalm Lake, the setting of On Golden Pond. Close enough?
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We should consider Walden Pond...
I was going back and forth about selling my house in Palm Springs and using the net proceeds to pay cash for a place and not have a house payment. But, prop 13 and humidity kept coming up in my thought process. With inflation in our future, (yes, the same 1979's inflation when we were seeing retirees across the country loosing their houses due to rising, run away real estate taxes) prop 13 is a Godsend. I have the same list of places as you. I have found I am able, and in the past 7 retirement years, content to travel to NYC, DC, SF, Portland, Phoenix, San Diego, LA and the California beaches, since I retired here. A month in Paris for my 60ieth got put on a back-burner due to cOVID. The grass may look greener, but I am ALWAYS glad I stayed in CA.
Always wonder: If you can pass a "Proposition" (like 13) can you undo it with another proposition - or maybe even a super majority in the legislature? Locally, kupuna (elders - stretched to "retired" if you like) have lots of advantages tax wise. Most pensions plus SS are not state taxed (at the up to 10%+ levels of those w*rking). Property taxes are lowered by exemptions and HI already has the lowest property taxes/real value in the nation. BUT, every few years, the legislature makes noises about changing all this to something more "fair" - whatever that is. SO, just wondering how iron clad Prop 13 is. Folks here seem to think it's inviolate and set in stone, but I always wondered since YMMV.
Lived in the Bay Area for 35 years. Great place to live but we had our fill..plus people density was getting insane... and that was 10 years ago.
Moved to the Big Island after FIRE and much consideration. Housing was a wash from CA levels and other expenses seem on par. Gas is higher but you don't go terribly far before hitting water. Biggest challenges for a CA transplant are understanding fine dining and A-level entertainment isn't on the menu, things just take longer (eg, no 1-day Amazon delivery), shipping costs need to be thought of as a "paradise tax", and you'll likely need to fly to CA from time to time assuming you have roots there.
As others have said, your list is all over so spending extended time in each would be wise. We did that prior to retiring so we were ready to book outta CA.
The one part on living in FL is you can prepare for the incoming hurricane. No way one can prepare for an earthquake.This near-native Californian (lived there since age 5) and his 7th-generation Californio wife just sold our home in Riverside county and moved to Indiana to be near our only child.
It is different here.
I do not think you can beat the California of the last 100 years, on balance, for environment, education, healthcare, opportunity, weather, variety, vacation opportunity, and a lot of other things. BUT that earthquake is coming sometime, and that could upset life pretty radically for people who are of advanced age or lesser ability. I think fire is going to be a bigger problem for a while too, and water always is.
The other thing about Hawaii people need to understand is that getting out of it for a while is an big expensive task. (Unless one is fabulously wealthy.) You are stuck there unless you want to spend the big bucks. I can get in my car and be in 5 other states with an at most an 8 hour drive. I can be in another country with a two hour drive. Hawaii requires a plane to do the same, and air travel isn't cheap, and requires more planning and paperwork.Moved to the Big Island after FIRE and much consideration. Housing was a wash from CA levels and other expenses seem on par. Gas is higher but you don't go terribly far before hitting water. Biggest challenges for a CA transplant are understanding fine dining and A-level entertainment isn't on the menu, things just take longer (eg, no 1-day Amazon delivery), shipping costs need to be thought of as a "paradise tax", and you'll likely need to fly to CA from time to time assuming you have roots there.
As others have said, your list is all over so spending extended time in each would be wise. We did that prior to retiring so we were ready to book outta CA.
We're going to be in AZ and UT this week too! I'm going to be in Huntsville July 1 touring UAH with my son. Let me know if you have any restaurant recommendations etc. Thx!We're traveling to.National Parks this week in AZ and UT based out of Las.Vegas.
And we find hotel prices to be abnormally expensive. Locally owned and franchised fast food restaurants are double the prices of comparable operations "back home". Feeding 9 & 13 year olds is tough on the pocketbook.
The area has spectacular scenery, but retiree income goes so much farther in the Southeast. We will stick to our lake living and RV in the Blue Ridge Mountains of NE Georgia.
The other thing about Hawaii people need to understand is that getting out of it for a while is an big expensive task. (Unless one is fabulously wealthy.) You are stuck there unless you want to spend the big bucks. I can get in my car and be in 5 other states with an at most an 8 hour drive. I can be in another country with a two hour drive. Hawaii requires a plane to do the same, and air travel isn't cheap, and requires more planning and paperwork.
For those who consider it 'paradise' - Great! I've visited several times and enjoyed myself immensely. But, living there would be like being exiled. Not for me.
Where I met DW. Kansas City. She left 'The Farm' and I didn't move back after Katrina.
Yes dear is just' ducky.' Growing up near Mt St. Helens in the PacNW I'm working on becoming a Flatlander.
Heh heh heh - Plus freeways go to all points of the compass. NSEW.
Curious--what about Albuquerque?
I've never visited but the weather looks great, its affordable & we are looking for a city.
May want to look further into it. Drug related crime is high in the city.Curious--what about Albuquerque?
I've never visited but the weather looks great, its affordable & we are looking for a city.
That just happened (partially) with the passage of Prop 19. So, the chipping away of Prop 13 benefits continues.
https://www.boe.ca.gov/prop19/Proposition-19-Fact-Sheet-February-1-2021.pdf
May want to look further into it. Drug related crime is high in the city.
I'm in NorCal and know lots of older (>70yo) retirees who left Hawaii due to lack of adequate specialty medical care, especially islands outside Oahu but, even there as well.
The other thing about Hawaii people need to understand is that getting out of it for a while is an big expensive task. (Unless one is fabulously wealthy.) You are stuck there unless you want to spend the big bucks. I can get in my car and be in 5 other states with an at most an 8 hour drive. I can be in another country with a two hour drive. Hawaii requires a plane to do the same, and air travel isn't cheap, and requires more planning and paperwork.
For those who consider it 'paradise' - Great! I've visited several times and enjoyed myself immensely. But, living there would be like being exiled. Not for me.
Curious--what about Albuquerque?
I've never visited but the weather looks great, its affordable & we are looking for a city.
Frank is a New Orleans native and it seems to me that the older he gets, the more he realizes how much it means to him to be living here where his entire extended family has lived for over six generations. During my life I have moved frequently and lived in many locations, but I have lived here for a quarter century and that is longer than anyplace else. So at last I have a real home, which I have always wanted. Hopefully we can stay here for the duration.