But would you be allowed to export them to the other states?I hear he's also signing a bill to allow us to keep black & white TV's...
But would you be allowed to export them to the other states?I hear he's also signing a bill to allow us to keep black & white TV's...
If the Governor signs the bill Texas will have regular light bulbs. Made in Texas, and Sold only in Texas.
... and the 60G25 which is the 60 watt version of the globe-shaped bulb I have commonly seen used around vanity mirrors.
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I suspect that the lighting companies have come to love this. It takes many of their highest-volume products out of the commodity-pricing world, and replaces (?) them with more-expensive units that they can run a higher margin on for some years. So just bend over, consumers, our congress knows what's best for us.
Half joking. My comment was just as "serious" as any suggestion that someone would actually jump through the necessary warranty hoops to get a refund (for unused service life) on a $2 CFL. People buy the CFL bulbs based on the claimed life, and (in my experience) they often don't live nearly that long.
I like the CFLs for many purposes, and I'm using them for those. There are some jobs, however, for which they are ill-suited (don't work as well or at all, do not have a favorable payback period, or even result in more energy use than an incandescent bulb.) I'd like the option to buy the right bulb for the right job.
And I'd really like to know why the federal government believes they have any authority to regulate this activity. There are lots of things we'd like people to do (be nice to each other, eat more leafy vegetables) and not do (swear around small children, drive recklessly), but we don't pass federal laws to accomplish these things.
Tell me one application where the CFL cost outweighs the incandescent bulb.
I read that Germany looked into this same goal (and that 1M would obviously be a much higher % of their fleet), and they figured that if they achieved it, the carbon footprint of the country would be reduced by less than 1%. So they dropped it.
ERD50 has given you some. I'll add my back porch light--I don't leave it on, I just use it for short periods. Moreover, when I flip the switch, I want to see what's out there right now. If it is -5 deg F outside, it's gonna be a long wait for that twist light to come to life.Tell me one application where the CFL cost outweighs the incandescent bulb.
The halogen lights are, and will remain, far less efficient than CFLs, and have many of the same problems (heat, short life) as the conventional tungsten incandescent bulb.When the cost comes down I think the halogen bulbs might take over the CFL's. The life cycle is much longer.
A closet light.
That's one. I can do many more:
Stair lights. Attic lights. Lights in rooms we seldom use. Bulbs in fixtures in rooms that we use a lot, but use other lights mainly.
Want more?
Fixtures that would need to be replaced to take the CFL. Big cost there.
Lights that I have on dimmers, because I want the variable light output. Those would require expensive dim-able CFLs. Long, long payback on those.
Enough?
-ERD50
a closet light.
That's one. I can do many more:
Stair lights. Attic lights. Lights in rooms we seldom use. Bulbs in fixtures in rooms that we use a lot, but use other lights mainly.
Want more?
Fixtures that would need to be replaced to take the cfl. Big cost there.
Lights that i have on dimmers, because i want the variable light output. Those would require expensive dim-able cfls. Long, long payback on those.
Enough?
-erd50
... I read that Germany looked into this same goal (and that 1M would obviously be a much higher % of their fleet), and they figured that if they achieved it, the carbon footprint of the country would be reduced by less than 1%. So they dropped it. ...
-ERD50
They haven't dropped it.
"What surprised us was that the carbon dioxide savings were so small," Viviane Raddatz, vehicle expert at WWF Germany, said in a phone interview from Berlin.
In a best-case scenario, the WWF assumes that the 1 million electric cars or plug-in vehicles would be running on renewable electricity and used at maximum mileage. Electric vehicles do not yet have the range of regular cars.
The carbon dioxide emission reductions from these 1 million electrical vehicles in Germany's transportation sector would be only 1 percent, according to the study, and overall national carbon dioxide emissions would only be cut by 0.1 percent. "That is not a very big deal," Raddatz said, adding that "it is not going to help us out of the transportation emission mess."
A worst-case scenario would be that the electric cars would run on electricity from coal instead of from renewable sources. ... An electric car with a lithium ion battery powered by electricity from an old coal power plant could emit more than 200g of carbon dioxide per km, compared with current average gasoline car of 160g of carbon dioxide per km in Europe, according to the study. The European Union goal for 2020 is 95g of carbon dioxide per km.
Tell me one application where the CFL cost outweighs the incandescent bulb. Maybe you didn't read my earlier post about our condo association changing over to CFL's in the early nineties. That "experiment" prompted all the other condo associations and the master association in that development to convert to CFL's. I've since left the area but a friend of mine says they are still using CFL's. When the cost comes down I think the halogen bulbs might take over the CFL's. The life cycle is much longer.
Tell me one application where the CFL cost outweighs the incandescent bulb. Maybe you didn't read my earlier post about our condo association changing over to CFL's in the early nineties. That "experiment" prompted all the other condo associations and the master association in that development to convert to CFL's. I've since left the area but a friend of mine says they are still using CFL's.
When the cost comes down I think the halogen bulbs might take over the CFL's. The life cycle is much longer.
I found another article about the study - it was worse than I thought - a 0.1% overall reduction in CO2 emissions country-wide, best-case
I see you've been responded to regarding the various bulbs and usages, but even these answers miss this point. Where the hell does the federal gov't get off telling we the people what kind of light bulb to use? Suppose they decide you need to only eat 100% Bran cereal for breakfast. No eggs, no other cereals, no cold pizza. And they make it a law. Even IF there was science behind it, it's not their place to make these decisions. Aaarghhh!
I see you've been responded to regarding the various bulbs and usages, but even these answers miss this point. Where the hell does the federal gov't get off telling we the people what kind of light bulb to use? Suppose they decide you need to only eat 100% Bran cereal for breakfast. No eggs, no other cereals, no cold pizza. And they make it a law. Even IF there was science behind it, it's not their place to make these decisions. Aaarghhh!
I see you've been responded to regarding the various bulbs and usages, but even these answers miss this point. Where the hell does the federal gov't get off telling we the people what kind of light bulb to use? Suppose they decide you need to only eat 100% Bran cereal for breakfast. No eggs, no other cereals, no cold pizza. And they make it a law. Even IF there was science behind it, it's not their place to make these decisions. Aaarghhh!
Well, from earlier posts that I have read... and having NOT read the law... It seems to be that they passed a law that requires energy efficiency and NOT which bulb you can use... IOW, if they could make an incandescent bulb that met the law you could use it...
If this is true, then it is the manufactureres that have decided to go the CFL road...
If the law is written in such a way that there is no way to get incandescents working... then I would agree it is a backdoor way of getting CFLs....
On your breakfast example.... they DO limit what you can eat... the cereals have to meet a certain health level, so does your eggs and bacon... the laws are usually boundaries that can not be crossed, but you can do anything inside the boundaries....
And by what authority, precisely, does the government get to mandate items like the energy efficiency of light bulbs? Or motor vehicles (CAFE standards)? Are consumers somehow being defrauded--it's too hard for the average Joe to look at the lumens and the watts and do the math? They can't figure out what "MPG" means?It seems to be that they passed a law that requires energy efficiency and NOT which bulb you can use. . .