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cardude said:Oh yeah, it's cheap here. When I said "small town", I'm talking a population of 5,200 people.
MedicalDoc said:Martha
Thanks for posting that website. It belies the myth that all docs are millionaires. Family practice docs and pediatricians are making no more than lots of people in middle management, engineers, or lawyers.
MedicalDoc said:Pay docs $50,000/yr and you'll attract the type of people responsible for making sure that your luggage doesn't get lost at the airport. Can you imagine? "I'm sorry Mrs. Jones, we lost your husband during surgery......No, he isn't dead, we just can find him. We're hoping he just wondered over to the blood bank to find something to drink".
Lazarus said:Isn't $50,000 what you said you pay the person who takes care of your kids? I guess by your standards they can't be very good at what they do since they don't make as much money as you do.
saluki9 said:I think your logic is totally wrong. He never suggested that if you don't make more than 50K you aren't good at what you do.
what kind of people do you think would be drawn to med schools is being a Doc paid $50K/year. I'm sure there would still be some hardcore humanitarians there, but most of the qualified applicants would go into business, law, or other sciences like they already have started doing. Places where you can still make a good living without the constant fear of being sued for the lack of being 100% perfect.
Brat said:IMHO medical school should be free and docs should be paid a decent salary (and have humane schedules) during internship and residency. After that they also should receive a salary commensurate with their expertise and hours worked, and sorry gang - risk adjusted results. Just as is done with immuzations, bad outcomes should be funded by a national insurance pool. If a Doc gives bad care their practice limited and if it is repeated licence pulled.
I also think that there should be an outcomes based basic national health insurance and if some people want a higher level of coverage they should be able to purchase it (just like long term care coverage).
Docs may receive less but they aren't in debt and receiving stipends for a good part of their adult life.
HaHa said:yet their patients live longer! Physicians in Canada make much less than in America, yet their patients live longer.
Cute 'n' Fuzzy Bunny said:Not that I doubt anything you're saying, but is there actually any data that shows that canadians live longer than americans or anything correlative about cheap doctors resulting in longer lives? Maybe they eat/drink/exercise differently in other countries? Maybe the broader availability of health care? Less obesity?
Your conclusions may be spot on, but if theres data to support this claim then I havent seen it yet.
Cute 'n' Fuzzy Bunny said:Not that I doubt anything you're saying, but is there actually any data that shows that canadians live longer than americans or anything correlative about cheap doctors resulting in longer lives? Maybe they eat/drink/exercise differently in other countries? Maybe the broader availability of health care? Less obesity?
Your conclusions may be spot on, but if theres data to support this claim then I havent seen it yet.
I'd hate to be subject to a system that confuses quality of life with lifespan.HaHa said:Just for a thought experiment- since our very expensive MDs and system of medical technology are at best no better in terms of length of life than many cheaper systems, often in much poorer nations, we could always redirect some expenditures toward whatever might be shown to be more decisive in producing better outcomes.
Nords said:I'd hate to be subject to a system that confuses quality of life with lifespan.
Cute 'n' Fuzzy Bunny said:I was a lot more interested in the correlation between cheap doctors and longer life spans.
That would explain the popularity of the TV shows "Scrubs" & "Grey's Anatomy".MedicalDoc said:I think that in some measure, education and training are investments in one's future. Physicians invest a decade (and sometimes longer) and hundreds of thousands of dollars in postgraduate training and lost wages while their contemporaries head out into the job market. One return on that investment is financial security in latter years. Other returns include engaging in work that is personally rewarding and intellectually stimulating.
No, I'm referring to healthcare systems that won't take the surgical risk on bad hips or prostate glands because they're afraid they'll kill the patient. A bunch of money is spent on U.S. research, funded by 78 million Boomers with abused hips & prostates, to find safer operating procedures & non-surgical alternatives. I doubt that research was pursued with the same funding or enthusiasm by all countries, but I'm sure they'll reap the benefits of the U.S. research. Yet who's paying for that?HaHa said:Now you seem to be positing some situation where you are doing really well with a great quality of life, but then you die. Whereas the other guy, with a lower quality of life (and in some other country from you) struggles along with his miserable but longer life?.
HaHa said:Well, not sure where this problem is coming from. In medical research, when one treatment is compared to another, DEATH RATES in the contrasted treatments are generally accepted to be "hard data". Pretty hard to fudge death; you are alive, or you are dead.
Gosh, there's no messing with statistics!Rich_in_Tampa said:Alas, doctors (cheap or expensive) have very little effect on lifespan in "developed" countries, as you have seen. It's not that we don't add value, etc. but rather that the societal issues vastly overwhelm the statistics. Humbling to me, though i would like to think that compassionate docs add a lot to the quality of life for ill patients, and yes, we occasionally save a life here and there.
HaHa said:Well, not sure where this problem is coming from. In medical research, when one treatment is compared to another, DEATH RATES in the contrasted treatments are generally accepted to be "hard data". Pretty hard to fudge death; you are alive, or you are dead.
Hey, Doc, earlier this year we learned that some hormone-therapy medications are made from equine urine.Rich_in_Tampa said:GorillaStatin
Nords said:Hey, Doc, earlier this year we learned that some hormone-therapy medications are made from equine urine.
Gotta be careful with those generic drug companies. I don't wanna know where GorillaStatin comes from or how they extract it in the first place...