Shower Remodel Advice ?

joesxm3

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I am currently taking care of my 95 year old mother and may soon be adding my 91 year old step-father to the mix.

My bathroom has a large two-person jet tub with a shower head that sprays into the tub. The tub is large enough that you don't need a shower curtain, sort of like a school gym shower.

To handle mom, I had to get a transfer bench but since the tub is so large I also had to get a small shower chair. She scoots over on the transfer bench then moves to the chair and I give her a shower with a shower head on a hose hooked to the normal shower head. I have to climb into the tub to be able to reach.

The tub dried out and the gaskets for the jets must have failed, because it leaked water through the ceiling of the room below when I ran the jets.

I would like to trash the tub. I never really liked it. It was in the house when I bought it 30 years ago.

What I am considering doing is removing the tub and installing some sort of floor with a lip that has the drain in it. Basically making a 4 or 5 foot wide by 7 or 8 foot deep walk-in shower area.

The walls are tile. When the tub is removed, I would have to add some time to cover where the tub was. Basically a 15 or 18 inch skirt under the existing tiles.

I probably would keep the same shower protocol for my mother, except that it would be easier to get her onto the chair.

My step-father is feeble but mobile and stubborn enough that he does not want to scoot on the transfer bench and sit in the chair. He currently would be showering himself. No way he could climb into the tub now without the transfer bench. I figure if I did this walk-in thing I would put grip rails along the sides.

So, now the questions

Does it sound feasible to make some sort of waterproof floor or drip tub that is the entire size of the tub area with something like a 6 inch edge on it to contain the water?

If the new floor were tile and grout, is this actually waterproof enough for being the bottom of the shower area? If not, what sort of material would be good for this? I figure it needs to be textured to avoid slipping.

Would I be able to get something like this as an actual product from a bathroom plumbing supply store, or would it have to be custom built.

I think they had something similar to this floor drip pan setup in the nursing home in the room where they would wheel the residents in for their showers, but I never got a close look at it.

Well, I hope you get the idea. Feel free to ask for clarification and offer suggestions and alternatives.

I had considered those sorts of corner shower units with a door, but I don't think that would work with my mother not being able to shower herself.

Thanks.

Joe
 
The simple answer is that there are ways to seal the floor. No, you can’t just tile and grout it, but it can be done. Our shower wasn’t that big, but the tile guy used a roll on membrane. It worked fine. Others may know specifics, but there’s no doubt it can be done.
 
One thing you might want to consider is some supplemental heating in the bathroom. Without an enclosure, it could be a bit chilly in the shower. Especially in the winter depending on your location.
 
Thanks.

Good point about the heating. I currently turn up the zone heat for upstairs and then bring in an electric heater to get the room warm. Being 95, mom likes it at least 74 all the time and warmer during the shower.

Wow. That article was a real eye opener. Way beyond anything I had imagined would be possible.

So, would my plan be to find a contractor specializing in bathrooms and they should be up on this sort of thing?
 
You would need to have the jetted tub cut up and hauled out. It's no big job.

You would be best to have a curbless shower where you could even roll a wheelchair into the shower if need be. There is a small angle to the shower drain that removes the water.

While you're at it, completely new waterproof walls need to be installed--usually large porcelain tiles to save on labor. The floor tiles are usually smaller tiles--preferable with a little grain where they're not slick. Many use pebble tiles on the floor.

The work you need done is not difficult, but you need a experienced tile mason to do the job.
 
A rolling shower chair is useful, if the entry to the shower permits.
 
These days, it’s very stylish (and functional?) to not even have any lip to hold water in if you have space for it. The secret is sloped floor drainage. See these examples.

https://www.realhomes.com/design/walk-in-shower-ideas

Note the use of downward sprinkler shower heads. I think this helps direct the water too.

Yep, NO lip but a continuous waterproof (e.g. tile) floor i the bathroom from outside to inside the shower...contractor can slope everything to the shower drain.

Here a neighbor converting a tub to shower required a new drain & so also required pulling a permit.

If the toilet is nearby accidents there can be rinsed down to the shower drain.
 
I did our bathroom in 2013.
One thing i noticed is we never missed the floor heat in the shower itself. I would not put it under that tile because the hot water warms the tiles up before you are ready to get in.
The rest of the bathroom has inexpensive and easy to install floor heat. It is one of the favorite places for the dogs. Leave the door open and you will find one basking on the warm floor.
I did a zero entry roll in shower too.
 
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So, now the questions

Does it sound feasible to make some sort of waterproof floor or drip tub that is the entire size of the tub area with something like a 6 inch edge on it to contain the water?

If the new floor were tile and grout, is this actually waterproof enough for being the bottom of the shower area? If not, what sort of material would be good for this? I figure it needs to be textured to avoid slipping.

Would I be able to get something like this as an actual product from a bathroom plumbing supply store, or would it have to be custom built.

I think they had something similar to this floor drip pan setup in the nursing home in the room where they would wheel the residents in for their showers, but I never got a close look at it.

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Probably no need to reinvent the wheel. We are building a house right now with a walk-in shower and from casual discussions with the plumber it seems there are several vendors of pans that go under the floor tile and include a drain hookup. The only issue might be the size you need vs what standard sizes are available. A Google search just now showed several vendors offering custom pans. I would turn this problem over to a plumber with experience with walk-in showers. He will probably have a preferred vendor or vendors.

Another thing we are doing that you might want to consider is a hand-held "telephone" shower. After DW's hip replacement she liked this a lot. The unit we will be using is a Delta 7043132, which is also an ADA-rated grab bar. ADA bars are also available from Moen and probably others. Our thinking is not that it replaces the horizontal grab bars but that in the event someone starts to fall and grabs the hand shower rail we do not want it to come off the wall. Also re grab bars they do not have to be ugly institutional stainless steel. We have a couple of bars in our city house that came from https://www.grabbarspecialists.com and have been very pleased with them.
 
I love my shower, especially now that I am getting older because it was apparently designed for the elderly and disabled.

Probably no need to reinvent the wheel. We are building a house right now with a walk-in shower and from casual discussions with the plumber it seems there are several vendors of pans that go under the floor tile and include a drain hookup. The only issue might be the size you need vs what standard sizes are available. A Google search just now showed several vendors offering custom pans. I would turn this problem over to a plumber with experience with walk-in showers. He will probably have a preferred vendor or vendors.

Sounds like a good idea. Get a plumber or handyman who has done this type of work a lot in the past, and knows what he is doing.

Another thing we are doing that you might want to consider is a hand-held "telephone" shower. After DW's hip replacement she liked this a lot. The unit we will be using is a Delta 7043132, which is also an ADA-rated grab bar. ADA bars are also available from Moen and probably others. Our thinking is not that it replaces the horizontal grab bars but that in the event someone starts to fall and grabs the hand shower rail we do not want it to come off the wall. Also re grab bars they do not have to be ugly institutional stainless steel. We have a couple of bars in our city house that came from https://www.grabbarspecialists.com and have been very pleased with them.

That Delta showerhead looks good, especially with the extra long 82" hose that it has.

The grab bars installed by the previous owners of my "Dream Home" are fantastic. He is a contractor. Anyway, the grab bars are not slick and shiny - - they are kind of pebbled or something so wet hands don't slide down them accidently. I feel much more secure because of that finish. Also because they are very sturdy and installed extremely firmly; if I slip then I know they will hold up and not come off the shower wall. There's one vertical bar at the shower door that is useful when getting in or out of the shower, and a yard long horizontal bar on the far wall, which is reachable while still holding to the first grab bar since the shower dimensions are 43"x43".

I'd love to have the "no lip" entry you describe. Even though I've never yet neeed a wheelchair, several times (such as after my knee replacement surgery) I would have found it much easier to get in the shower with no lip. Right now it has a 2" lip which normally isn't a problem, but none at all would have been better after surgery.

If you put in a permanent shower bench/ledge, I'd make it 20" high and put a grab bar right next to it. Your expert plumber/handyman who has done many of these showers for the elderly will know more about this than I do. Also don't forget a no-slip shower flooring. Mine is small tiles but they aren't slippery at all.
 
When I did the bathroom I put 2x6 blocking between the studs for ADA hand rails.
You can drill in the bathroom anywhere and hit solid wood from 32"~38", no need to find studs behind the tiles.
 
I want to say thank you to all that have responded to this thread. I really appreciate the wealth of experience that is shared on this forum.

Joe
 
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