Martha said:
The problem with saying people would save more for retirement without social security or would buy disability insurance if there was no SS disability or SSI is that it might work for some but not for the whole.
Lot of people who end up disabled could never have bought a disablility policy. L
Tell the many women I know earning $12,000 to $25,000 a year to put some of their money towards disability insurance or retirement. Sure some can go towards retirement, but they are not going to be able to replace social security. They already hardly can live on what they make. If you increase their pay by 15% to cover the need not to fund social security or medicare, it is not going to be enough money for them to fund retirement, potential disablity and health care costs.
Justin, I don't consider working at a low stress and thus lower paying job throughout your career, while counting on social security, to be a bad thing. More people should do this. We might all be happier. I have no problem with viewing social security as an entitlement.
I would like a specific story about someone who is just a lazy a** and collects government benefits rather than working. Welfare benefits are limited in amount and duration. If you are under 62, able bodied and have no young children, there isn't going to be welfare for you.
Social Security Disablity isn't easy to get either. In lawschool I had a part time job working on social security disability and SSI appeals for denial of benefits. It is tough to get any benefits unless you can't do any kind of light work any where.
I do agree with you Justin that our tax system needs work. I just don't think it needs to be replaced. The tax code was overhauled and simplified substantially in 1986. Since then we have added and added to the complexity and the code and regulations grown tremendously. Knowing human nature, if we changed the code or replaced it with something new and simple, give it 10 or 20 years and we would be back to a hugely complex mess.
The world is complex. Simple answers may be elegant, but not always right.
I think you have many valid points. I generally agree with what you said above regarding individual responsibility, reformation of the tax system, difficulty of getting SS disability, etc.
I don't particularly like a lot of the welfare systems we have in place. But I think we have the best welfare policies of all first world nations. There are legitimate social issues I think the government has to address, and it is attempting to do so through the existing welfare programs. I'm using the term welfare broadly - I'm not restricting its definition to TANF.
I can cite a specific example of three people who are lazy asses. Or as I, as an economic conservative would call them, rational economic actors. The first two I encountered a few years back. At the time I was in law school and running an engineering consulting business on the side. I had consulted with a temp agency to get a few employees for me for a month or two. I met with two of them. I started explaining what I needed them to do for the job, and when they would work. They told me when they were available, and I put them on my schedule. About thirty minutes after our meeting started, one of the temp employees, a young lady about 30 years old interrupted me. She informed me she would not be able to work for me. She had calculated how much she would make from working for me, and it was less than what she would get from her unemployment check. She would lose her unemployment benefits if she earned over a certain threshold, so for her, it was financially beneficial to stay at home and watch tv, which she told me she was going to do. The guy also said the same thing. They both left.
If I was in their position, I would do the exact same thing. I had to spend extra time and effort to recruit someone else to do the job. These two individuals would rather collect the unemployment check (welfare) than work at an honest job.
The third person is most likely violating the law to obtain TANF benefits, food stamps, medical care/insurance, and supplemental state payments. She has a few children and she lives with a boyfriend. She is intentionally not getting married so that she can continue to receive all of these benefits. If she worked, she would lose many or all of these benefits. I know their household income is significantly higher than mine.
I could continue because I have many more stories along these same lines. They would start sounding similar very quickly.
People don't really need all the govt help they get, but if it is there, people will use it!