Most first level supervisors work a lot of un compensated time. Striving to get another level up so they can work even more. Maybe one out of 25 do. Far better way to spend your time is planning FIRE rather than chasing the rainbow.
Obviously it's easier to reach FI if you're paid more, like management. But we all make the choices that meet our needs. I wouldn't have been able to RE without moving into management early on...Most first level supervisors work a lot of un compensated time. Striving to get another level up so they can work even more. Maybe one out of 25 do. Far better way to spend your time is planning FIRE rather than chasing the rainbow.
I was actually talking about the comments in this thread.Read the book first, he makes excellent points and has lots of data to support the fact that the most long term successful companies are those with the best CEO's, and they come from a wide cross-section of industries, including an airline, a steel company, companies with no unions and companies with strong unions.
Obviously it's easier to reach FI if you're paid more, like management. But we all make the choices that meet our needs. I wouldn't have been able to RE without moving into management early on...
I was actually talking about the comments in this thread.
Actually I did 'increase our lifestyle' somewhat, but we still practiced LBYM first and foremost. We grasped the meaning of 'the most important things in life aren't things.' We gratefully lived/live better than most, but didn't care to keep up with our contemporaries (all still working BTW). Taking the management path offers options...you don't have to be self-absorbed and heartless like some would like to believe.Obviously you were not tempted to increase your lifestyle to match your management position. Most every one I saw at work did with a few exceptions. Even the young new hires drove more expensive cars than I did.
Obviously it's easier to reach FI if you're paid more, like management. But we all make the choices that meet our needs. I wouldn't have been able to RE without moving into management early on...
No prob, I wasn't specific.oops, my mistake
.Is this a joke, or do you mean "accepting responsibility for her failures"? I think the list maker means that people should accept responsibility for their own failures.
I think that's what the list maker meant as well - just am more amused misunderstanding. But really, my gal accepts responsibility for damn near anything around her; has an expansive view of her sphere of influence, and tries to fix it all.
Even that is controversial. Many psychologists feel that laying off one's failures onto circumstance is a good strategy for staying happy and undepressed. Seems to work for politicians and CEOs.
Most of my life I've graded myself on a curve, and a C was satisfactory. Lately I have thought that I might have been able to do better. Still, we all have some narrow passages to steer through, and I suppose we should be gratefuil for not breaking up on the rocks.
Her dad was more a "why didn't you get an A+ instead of just an A kinda guy". positive and negative results, as with most things.
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Taking the management path offers options...you don't have to be self-absorbed and heartless like some would like to believe.
Obviously it's easier to reach FI if you're paid more, like management. But we all make the choices that meet our needs. I wouldn't have been able to RE without moving into management early on...
Obviously you were not tempted to increase your lifestyle to match your management position. Most every one I saw at work did with a few exceptions. Even the young new hires drove more expensive cars than I did.
I personally think it's good traits of one's character but hardly doubt The Success Indicator. If one wants to become a successful long distance runner, does having those attributes help. I think not.I like the list since I meet most of the criteria except for planning and journaling. Shows you can do OK without those attributes. And I suspect kept to do lists for the wrong reason. The management BS is you need them to prioritize but I kept them because I would completely forget stuff otherwise. Practice implemented after I missed an important meeting and had to make up a BS emergency to cover my butt.
You must not have worked for the same company as me. I would have described most management at my company as near sociopathic. Calling them self-absorbed and heartless would be too kind.
But not all. I am still friends with two of my managers who are retired. They would agree with my statement as well.
I drove the same old Ford Tempo for the first 15 years of my management status.
I must have been lucky. We certainly had our asshat managers, but I'd guess it was easily less than 1/3rd. But maybe my perspective as a former fellow asshat manager skews my estimate.Taking the management path offers options...you don't have to be self-absorbed and heartless like some would like to believe.You must not have worked for the same company as me. I would have described most management at my company as near sociopathic. Calling them self-absorbed and heartless would be too kind.
But not all. I am still friends with two of my managers who are retired. They would agree with my statement as well.That sounds very familiar.
I'd wonder why someone would stay if (nearly) all the managers were "sociopathic" - despite how difficult it is to change jobs/careers.
I must have been lucky. We certainly had our asshat managers, but I'd guess it was easily less than 1/3rd. But maybe my perspective as a former fellow asshat manager skews my estimate.
I'd wonder why someone would stay if (nearly) all the managers were "sociopathic" - despite how difficult it is to change jobs/careers.
I worked for a decent supervisor that tried to keep the sh*t from us. They paid me a lot of money. They tended not to mess with us too much, they didn't know what engineers did exactly but they knew the plant couldn't run without us. When I had enough ( BS and money ) I quit!
Excellent reasons, you made conscious choices vs just complaining. I did the same, though I didn't complain about the asshat managers that much. I knew they'd still be there 'trying to buy happiness' long after I left...and they are.Pension. Company was bought out about halfway through my career. Too much invested to leave.