Where to Live in Seattle or Portland Area?

Crime in Seattle? The police department is down 300+ officers from their official staffing level of about 1400 officers. Watch the current city council races. Four council members are not running for re-election. If they are replaced by candidates who appear to have more concern about crime that might change. Or maybe not.
 
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Thanks for all the replies and suggestions.

So, would most of you agree that I should not avoid a neighborhood or town just because they don't have air conditioning? The issue for me is that there are appealing areas that either have no apartments with a/c or have a few new apartments with a/c and tons of amenities that I won't use but drive up the price by a lot. Amenities such as clubhouses, pools, big gyms, business centers, etc. (Some of these areas are so expensive that I might as well consider the Bay Area.) I care much more about whether there are good walking trails very close by.

I suppose I could just choose a neighborhood I like and then spend the money I save on rent to pay for an air conditioned hotel when it gets hot.

For the Portland/Vancouver area, yes essential. A portable/window A/C unit would be fine if permitted and safe (not ground level).

Is there a reason why it would not be safe at ground level? Are you talking about what the a/c unit itself would do or are you talking about the risk of break-ins?

I would prefer to be on a lower floor. That's partly because it would be cooler, but it's also partly because a lot of apartment complexes use carpet on all but the first floor and I would prefer to minimize carpeting due to my allergies.

My son attends UW. He found that lots of "newer" townhomes have minisplits installed. He didn't find a single apt that had AC. Townhomes cost a little more but typically comes with more space.

What is a mini-split? One of the things that make it difficult to look for an apartment is that some of the places that claim to have central a/c and don't have a/c in all the rooms. I see people complaining that they moved into an apartment because of the a/c and then it didn't work.

Seattle has an excellent light rail system and if you're 65 or over it's just a dollar a trip. Light rail will take you to the airport, downtown, UW, and other places. The system is in process of slowly being expanded. I would try to make an effort to find something that's walkable to one of the stations. 'walkable' means different thing to different people. To me it means about 1/2 mile max.

Since I won't be commuting, it isn't my priority. Am I right to assume that light rail will drive up rental rates in parts of Redmond once it goes in there? Which neighborhoods?

I would give Olympia a good look. It is a nice city, not so much traffic but plenty of city amenities IMO.

Thanks. How does the weather in Olympia compare to Portland and Seattle? Would air conditioning be as much of an issue in Olympia? And what are the "city amenities?"

Are there particular parts of Olympia that people would recommend? My primary concern about Olympia is whether there is good medical care. One of the reasons that I want to move is that I currently don't have access to good doctors and medical specialists. I've had neighbors move because of that, too. My other concern is that I'm not sure that my friends and family would be as willing to visit me in Olympia because it is not as accessible.

I would be curious to know what type of crime? I suspect it is theft/property related since the area is more affluent?

Since downtown Redmond is being redeveloped, most of the buildings are newer, which might be why you’re seeing air conditioned apartments. Air conditioning is new to the PNW and usually you only need it for a week or two (or three).

I looked at the crimegrade.org website that someone recommended in this thread. I'd love insight from some of you about which neighborhoods with apartments have reputations for being safer.


Oregon landlords can raise rent by a certain percentage + inflation rate; like 9.9% right now.

That might not be much from a landord's perspective, but it is can be huge from a tenant's perspective. More than the rate of inflation. It's worse in other places, though. I knew a retired woman who had to move after her rent was raised 20% after years of other large increases. (My rent increase was more than 20% last year.) These kinds of increases are hard to predict, which makes my planning difficult.
 
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City amenities for me are things like good public transit, some arts and entertainment, and ease of shopping. The medical care in Olympia is going to be as good as anywhere in the state as it is the state capital. There are a few choices for hospitals there
If you're looking for the big city feel it's probably not big enough.
I suspect that it would be slightly cooler than Seattle due to the pavement effect of a big town. That is something you can look up.
 
Just a note, Portland is going to be hotter in the summer and slightly colder in the winter --- just exposed to a wider range of variation. Even Olympia will be even colder. This is due to the where the coastal ranges are situated and prevailing winds. Bellingham is in what they call the convergence zone --- that mans way more snow in the winter (my sister lived there). There is a region around Sequim called the banana belt in the rain shadow of the Olympic (coastal) range --- it gets less rain than LA. The rainfall gradually picks up after the clouds cross the sound, but places like Camano still benefit. Historically AC wasn't needed but I think the humidity and contrast from the cold months leaves you unprepared --- locals think 70 is getting hot.

(I have deep roots in the PNW but have not lived there for a long time, but visit back with family 2x a year, + on business).

The Eastside is a good fit. Seattle has transformed, suffering the same ills as SF -- if not worse in some respects -- but outside the core downtown area things are still pretty similar in the various neighborhoods.

Neighbors moved to Vancouver and they love it, as they like the fact that it is a little warmer in the summer.
 
We moved (from Jacksonville, FL) to Olympia last fall. This was our first summer here, and we have used our A/C only about three, maybe four nights. We have a nice 2br waterfront rental which tends to provide cool, breezy days and mild winter temps at sea level, with only one day last winter with snow on the ground.
We love our choice of Olympia.
We’ve been very happy with our rental agency/property manager and property owner. If you would like to search their website or contact them about availability, it is olyrents.com.
Feel free to contact me if you visit the area. We can meet up at the Olympia Farmer’s Market on any Thu-Sun.
 
Thanks for all the replies and suggestions.
What is a mini-split? One of the things that make it difficult to look for an apartment is that some of the places that claim to have central a/c and don't have a/c in all the rooms. I see people complaining that they moved into an apartment because of the a/c and then it didn't work.

You can google them. They are essentially like a window unit except it's installed on the top part of a inside wall and the compressor is in accompanying outdoor unit. The inside unit is not that big, like 12" high x 34" wide x 8" deep. They work great if they've been sized correctly and installed by a pro. They've been heavily used in Europe or Asia for in the past 20 or so years.

BTW, some have mentioned portable AC units as an option. They too work well, but only for one room if your apt is larger than 600 sq ft or so. If you put in your family room, your bedroom won't get as cool. Also, many of the newish apts in Seattle have casement windows, which will not allow the use of a typical window AC units.
 
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DS rents in Portland, currently has an apt with AC, previously had a portable unit.
DD previously rented in Portland suburb and used window AC.
I would not rent in Portland unless you could have AC, the past few summers have been some pretty miserable days.

We just came back from a short Seattle trip. Downtown currently reminds me of SF, but it seemed a bit more cleaned up from our last visit. I looked up a few apartments leasing nearby our hotel. It still appears pretty pricey in the downtown core.
 
DW gives me a hard time about "melting" when it gets above 80F here in the south Puget Sound. Nobody has AC around here because it just isn't worth it for the ten days a year you might need it. Opening the window at night and turning the fan on is enough for almost everyone.
 
Camas is more windy to begin with because it is at the mouth of the Columbia River Gorge. But what I have also discovered is that there is a direct proportional relationship between views and wind. Those multi-million dollar view houses with 360 degree views of the surrounding cityscape, rivers, and mountains? They get absolutely pummeled by winter winds. If you have a view then the wind "can see you too"

Can confirm. We retired to Camas 18 months ago and bought a house with views out over the Columbia River, downtown Portland and the West Hills. Last winter a windstorm ripped a light sconce off the wall by our front door and knocked over one of our spruce trees. Outside of winter the wind is tolerable and more than worth it for the views. That being said, we have decided to travel to Southern Hemisphere for all of January this year!

For the previous 18 years our primary home was in Los Angeles but we had a condo in the Pearl District in Portland that we spent a lot of time in. When we decided to move to the area full-time we knew that we didn't want to live in downtown Portland because it has really gone downhill. In Camas we still have pretty easy access to the cultural and healthcare benefits of Portland with none of the downsides. Camas was recently named the safest suburb in the Western U.S. by some magazine. Contrast that with Portland, where I would never even consider parking my car on a public street in downtown or the Pearl.
 
We moved (from Jacksonville, FL) to Olympia last fall. This was our first summer here, and we have used our A/C only about three, maybe four nights. We have a nice 2br waterfront rental which tends to provide cool, breezy days and mild winter temps at sea level, with only one day last winter with snow on the ground.
We love our choice of Olympia.
We’ve been very happy with our rental agency/property manager and property owner. If you would like to search their website or contact them about availability, it is olyrents.com.
Feel free to contact me if you visit the area. We can meet up at the Olympia Farmer’s Market on any Thu-Sun.

Thanks for the information. You all have convinced me that I need to seriously consider Olympia - and not just because they have a farmers market. :D

I've decided to spend some time in Olympia next week before I check out the Seattle area. What should I check out while I'm there?

The waterfront sounds nice, though I'm not sure that living there will be an option for me. If I don't live on the water, will I want air conditioning?

I'd like to hear more about the area where you live.

Are there particular neighborhoods and areas in Olympia that you or others would recommend?

Any recommendations for Tacoma?
 
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A recent relevant op-ed in the Seattle Times: A Tale of Two Cities: Portland Offers a Worrying Example for Seattle

At the same time, the Rose City or PDX, take your pick, was also a beautiful urbanist’s dream. It offered a real downtown, walkable neighborhoods including the Alphabet and Pearl districts, and abundant rail transit, along with Amtrak service at the stately Portland Union Station. The depot was opened in 1896 and restored a century later.

This was a city that cared about itself, going back decades. For example, a freeway that would have been rammed through Portland neighborhoods sparked a revolt in the 1970s. It was canceled. Instead, funding was directed to light rail. No wonder several of my friends from Phoenix moved to PDX.

That once upon a time was not so long ago. Indeed, it ran up through the 2010s.

Lately, Portland is known for rampant homelessness, drug addiction and crime. Portland’s civil unrest after the 2020 murder of George Floyd by a Minneapolis police officer made Seattle’s troubles tame by comparison.

One thing I've learned from living in several cities, including Seattle and Portland, is that timing is everything. Cities tend to have a golden period as they grow; during this time, there's a strong sense of community and the problems seem manageable. It's easy to get around and enjoy everything the city has to offer. But inevitably, the word gets out and hordes of new residents flood in, straining resources and eventually eliminating a lot of the previous "small city" cohesion and charm.
 
DS rents in Portland, currently has an apt with AC, previously had a portable unit.
DD previously rented in Portland suburb and used window AC.
I would not rent in Portland unless you could have AC, the past few summers have been some pretty miserable days.
After the heat wave 2 years ago when it reached 112 (highly unusual, but still!) Oregon passed a law that landlords cannot prevent tenants from having A/C units. Think there are some exceptions if the building is really old and electrical service can't support it. So in most places one would rent in OR, you can now have your own A/C.
 
We live in Redmond actually east of Redmond on Union Hill and have 7 acres. I grew up here I bought my kids houses, one in Mountlake Terrace near the transit station for light rail, which is a great area which I intend to build an apartment on that property. The other lives south of Issaquah in a nice housing development.. if I were to want to move to an apartment, which I swore I would never ever do again after living in one in Everett while building a home there, I would likely look at Duvall. It has the nicest hometown, feel in the area and best access to everything. I don’t know why you would be so concerned about having air conditioning. You can always add that so cheap with a window based unit which is hardly ever needed.
 
Duvall is nice. I have lived in Redmond and it was nice, 40 years ago.
people lock on to different details. For us it is the traffic. My entire family is in Seattle and we just don't want to do that. To get the kind of lifestyle we are used to in the country, our dollar would not reach.
We would have needed to own your 7 acres for a long time, because getting it now would break our personal stash.
 
Duvall is nice. ...
We would have needed to own your 7 acres for a long time, because getting it now would break our personal stash.

I know the housing is insane here. My neighbor had a 1912 craftsman on the corner of our property. I wanted to buy it for the 1.6 acres at market price. He was greedy and got a young tech boy couple to buy it for 2M. To me it was not worth more than 1.2M, which would have been market. Just sold. Oh well....

I think Duvall is still reasonable and not so far away with some newer apartment's. Very walkable and safe for now. Redmond is doomed. The light rail station will be a hop on hop off for the homeless in Seattle to go hunting. I fear the nice homey Redmond will soon see urban decay brought on by the easy (free to those who take) access to crime central Seattle. JMO
 
Woodinville doesn’t have to be a bad option too. I was there this weekend and it was nice. Great place if you like wine and there are summer concerts at the Chateau Ste Michelle winery. Easy access to trails too and not far from hikes off of highway 2. It’s also an easy drive to Redmond.

Good point regarding light rail to Redmond. It’ll be interesting to see how that develops. I know there’s a good amount of homeless taking the direct bus between downtown Bellevue and Seattle. I’ve also seen this with the transition to Rapid Ride in my neighborhood. I try to avoid those buses and stick with the commuter bus when I can, even though I prefer to drive nowadays.
 
I know the housing is insane here. My neighbor had a 1912 craftsman on the corner of our property. I wanted to buy it for the 1.6 acres at market price. He was greedy and got a young tech boy couple to buy it for 2M. To me it was not worth more than 1.2M, which would have been market. Just sold. Oh well....
JMO

Greedy? Sounds like he was pretty smart.
 
I grew up in Gig Harbor. I left in 1979, but have spent at least a month/year there with family every year since. So I've sort of witnessed a time lapse of the area. I have a love/hate relationship with the Puget Sound area. I love it, because it has the overall best climate and geography in the world IMO, and I've travelled quite a bit to see alternatives. And I hate it because IMO it's developed along a less than ideal path for the last 20-30 years. Up until 2000, I though that I'd eventually retire somewhere around Puget Sound. I don't think that anymore. But YMMV.

If I was looking at living in Western Washington, I'd look up on the peninsula. Somewhere around (but not in) Port Townsend. An alternative would be west of Olympia - say around Shelton and out towards Westport. Shelton will be wetter, but cheaper and quieter. Both those alternatives would make driving a big plus. In Tacoma, I'd look at University Place or Fircrest, maybe Steilacoom but that's pretty expensive old neighborhood housing though. As much as I love Gig Harbor/Fox Island area, I'd avoid it, too expensive, too crowded and the bridge traffic gets to be a hassle.

I used to love Portland. You couldn't pay me enough to consider living in Portland proper now. Oregon has some fantastic real estate south along I5 though, as long as you put a healthy buffer between it and Portland.

One thing I've learned from living in several cities, including Seattle and Portland, is that timing is everything. Cities tend to have a golden period as they grow; during this time, there's a strong sense of community and the problems seem manageable. It's easy to get around and enjoy everything the city has to offer. But inevitably, the word gets out and hordes of new residents flood in, straining resources and eventually eliminating a lot of the previous "small city" cohesion and charm.

That's a good synopsis of what I think about the stomping grounds of my youth. Knowing what the PNW was like 40-50 years ago is a small obstacle to enjoying it as it is today. I suppose the same could be said of a lot of places.
 
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One thing I've learned from living in several cities, including Seattle and Portland, is that timing is everything. Cities tend to have a golden period as they grow; during this time, there's a strong sense of community and the problems seem manageable. It's easy to get around and enjoy everything the city has to offer. But inevitably, the word gets out and hordes of new residents flood in, straining resources and eventually eliminating a lot of the previous "small city" cohesion and charm.


I had business for a week in Portland ca 1988. I was surprised to see homeless on the street. It wasn't too bad at the time, but I recall thinking this could ruin an otherwise amazing city. Haven't been back, but I do watch TV and internet. I think Portland is gone but YMMV.
 
Woodinville doesn’t have to be a bad option too. I was there this weekend and it was nice. Great place if you like wine and there are summer concerts at the Chateau Ste Michelle winery. Easy access to trails too and not far from hikes off of highway 2. It’s also an easy drive to Redmond.

Thanks. I'm going to check out Woodinville. Any particular neighborhoods that I should look at or that I should avoid? Anything worth checking out in addition to wineries? Any particular walking/hiking trails - preferably not to hilly?

Anybody got thoughts on Bothell?

While we're on the topic of walking and hiking, does anyone know of some good walks/hikes in Olympia that are not hilly - aside from the Capitol Lake walk?
 
Thanks. I'm going to check out Woodinville. Any particular neighborhoods that I should look at or that I should avoid? Anything worth checking out in addition to wineries? Any particular walking/hiking trails - preferably not to hilly?



Anybody got thoughts on Bothell?



While we're on the topic of walking and hiking, does anyone know of some good walks/hikes in Olympia that are not hilly - aside from the Capitol Lake walk?


The Sammamish river trail goes along Woodinville down to Redmond. You can also go north toward Bothell and it connects to the Burke-Gilman trail, which goes around the northern part of Lake Washington into the Ballard neighborhood in Seattle. It’s a flat trail, but definitely urban. It tends to have a lot of cyclists.

I’m not a big fan of Bothell, but I don’t know the area too well. It’s being redeveloped and I wasn’t impressed. But I don’t know that area very well, so keep that in mind.
 
Thanks. I'm going to check out Woodinville. Any particular neighborhoods that I should look at or that I should avoid? Anything worth checking out in addition to wineries? Any particular walking/hiking trails - preferably not to hilly?

Anybody got thoughts on Bothell?

While we're on the topic of walking and hiking, does anyone know of some good walks/hikes in Olympia that are not hilly - aside from the Capitol Lake walk?

Check out All Trails website: https://www.alltrails.com/us/washington/olympia
 
A friend lives in Vancouver WA and shops in Portland. He loves the combination.

Many folks do.

I live in a suburb outside Portland. Yes, there are homeless, however, recently spent a long weekend in Seattle and saw the same tents along side the freeway driving into the city and homeless folks in doorways while walking around.
Every city has its problems, some hide them better than others.


I enjoy going downtown, many fun areas to explore, hike, etc. I do go downtown at night for a specific restaurant, but would not be there late night by myself. But then, I wouldn't do that in any city.

Both Seattle area and Portland area offer some wonderful things. You have to decide what is best for you.

And there are so many gorgeous areas outside both cities in WA and OR to love also. The PNW is a beautiful area
 
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