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Old 12-02-2009, 12:38 PM   #141
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There is no 'supposed to be'. The global average temperature has varied quite a bit through the earth's history.
While our civilization has been here, temperatures have been fairly mild, stable and conductive to agriculture and building said civilization.
The question is, what consequences do we face with the warming temperatures (good or bad). And secondary, if these consequences are negative, can we do anything about it.
To answer that question, we have to determine if our actions (burning fosil fuels, clearcutting rainforests, etc) are contributing to the warming.
If they are, then how can we cause less damage?

Sure, a couple degrees doesn't sound like a lot, but small changes in the global average can have large impacts.
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Old 12-02-2009, 12:47 PM   #142
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Me thinks some jail time is in order for many of the eminent scientist for perpetuating a fraud on the world. Amongst them fine fellows like Phil Jones head of UK's Climate research, University of East Anglia and Michael Mann of Penn State et al..
There's no fraud.

If you wish to discuss it, start another thread.
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Old 12-02-2009, 01:06 PM   #143
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There is no 'supposed to be'. The global average temperature has varied quite a bit through the earth's history.
Exactly.

Whether the planet is getting hotter or cooler, there will be positive and negative impacts. Maybe it's better to look things over and decide if might not be better to have the temp change and address the negatives while gladly accepting the positives of any change, rather than defaulting to the very expensive "stop what we are doing, though we don't know that it is causing any changes, we'll figure things out later" mode.

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Sure, a couple degrees doesn't sound like a lot, but small changes in the global average can have large impacts.
And the same temperature changes can drive planet-wide climate feedback mechanisms that naturally serve to dampen these temp changes. Just as they have for millions of years.

Whether or not one agrees that the whole thing is a scam, it is very clear that there are pockets of scammers and opportunists who have had entirely too much influence on the policy debate (e.g. the formerly respected scientists at the CRU). The "hockey stick" was soundly discredited years ago, and there is no reason to believe in a "tipping point." The climate science community needs to clean house and do a damage evaluation before their work can be used to drive policy. We've got time to do this right, the "act now or we're doomed" crowd has lost their credibility.

For those who missed the news, today the Australian Parliament rejected a much ballyhooed carbon cap bill favored by their leftist Prime Minister Kevin Rudd. Good for them. The wheels are coming off this corrupt AGW bandwagon. Let the US be next.
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[Eh, I don't feel like getting into it.]
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I can feel the average temperature in here heating up quite a bit.
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