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Old 10-21-2006, 10:24 AM   #21
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Before Iraq, the whole world thought that our military was invincible with it's high-tech weaponry and fabulous logistics capability.

The worst thing about Iraq is that the whole world now knows that the Most Expensive "Greatest Army in the World" can be defeated soundly by a rag-tag bunch of civilians with never-secured explosives and garage-door-openers. Our high-technology weapons are meaningless in this type of insurgency-based warfare.

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Before Iraq, the whole world thought that our military was invincible with it's high-tech weaponry and fabulous logistics capability.

The worst thing about Iraq is that the whole world now knows that the Most Expensive "Greatest Army in the World" can be defeated soundly by a rag-tag bunch of civilians with never-secured explosives and garage-door-openers. Our high-technology weapons are meaningless in this type of insurgency-based warfare.

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This post is exactly what I mean!

we went into Iraq supposedly destroyed the Iraqi army and left the weapons depots unguarded!

Sure we got rid of saddam but we never defeated them. We let them GO HOME and they have come back to fight another day. If you listen to Bush he keeps saying we are gonna WIN. Uh HOW?? unless we send in 300,000 more troops and kill everyone we will win nothing and killing everyone is NOT an option now. If we stay Iraq will look like gaza and the west bank 50 years from now.
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The average Iraqi was way better off under Saddam Hussein.
I think that quote embodies the ultimate survivor bias...

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Before Iraq, the whole world thought that our military was invincible with it's high-tech weaponry and fabulous logistics capability.
Yep, just like the USS THRESHER. And before Vietnam. And the USS PUEBLO. And the USS SCORPION. And the USS LIBERTY. And the SS MAYAGUEZ. And the USS BONEFISH. And Beirut. And Grenada. And Panama. And the USS STARK. And the USS TRIPOLI & SAMUEL B. ROBERTS. And Somalia. Heck, this is just the Navy list.

While the media & politicians may have formed their own impressions of invincibility, every year the mighty U.S. military is humbled by its own. I don't think very many people in uniform believe that they and their shipmates have formed an invincible team, and most veterans are convinced that we only "won" in spite of our own efforts.

Unfortunately the lessons "learned" during exercises are only usually only applied to preparing for the last war. It's just not cost-effective or persuasive to get funding for the "next" war...
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What's stupid about Iraq is not the desire to control oil, oust a dictator or find wmd, it the impossibility of attempting to marry democracy and Islam. The two are incompatible in a muslim-majority country. Spend some time at http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/ for the skinny on what's happening around the world that the media won't touch.
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