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Old 11-24-2012, 09:31 AM   #21
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That just has to invoke some cataclysmic implementation of Godwin's Law.
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I haven't seen the movie, but this is a point I argued on another thread, here in Canada, a couple years ago.........a lone voice against the warm-fuzzy 'true believers' who needed a clear cut struggle between 'Good & Evil'.
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Old 11-24-2012, 10:37 AM   #22
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Lincoln must be a great movie. DW & I tried to go to the 12:30 show yesterday, we were turned away as it was sold out. She learned this morning that another couple we know was also turned away for the 4:00pm show, also sold out. Guess we'll try Skyfall IMAX today, and Lincoln later.

And FWIW, I'm in the midst of reading Team of Rivals (Doris Kearns Goodwin's book on Lincoln), and so far they're not "deifying" anyone by any means, Lincoln or his peers. Doesn't mean Lincoln wasn't a great President, he was human, what a shock since we've had perfect Presidents ever since...
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I haven't seen the movie, but this is a point I argued on another thread, here in Canada, a couple years ago.........a lone voice against the warm-fuzzy 'true believers' who needed a clear cut struggle between 'Good & Evil'.
I recently saw the same revisionist approach in a movie covering the leadup to WWII where the Western democracies are somehow motivated by the early Nazi atrocities against the Jews. In fact, those governments were exclusively motived by their own interests at the time, just like all other governments, then and now.
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I recently saw the same revisionist approach
The older one gets, (I was born in 1942), the more one ends up saying "Hold on, hold on, that's not how it was".
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Godwin's law once again.
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Godwin's law once again.
Isn't the theme of Godwin's Law that someone will make comparisons with Hitler/Nazis?

In the above instance(s) it's the meme of revisionism that is being compared, and the WWII reference is an example, (with the Nazis being an adjunct, not the focal point), rather than a comparison.
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Isn't the theme of Godwin's Law that someone will make comparisons with Hitler/Nazis?

In the above instance(s) it's the meme of revisionism that is being compared, and the WWII reference is an example rather than a comparison.
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Saw Lincoln this afternoon, we thought it was excellent and worth the price of theater admission.

We saw Skyfall yesterday, also good though not on par with Casino Royale 2006 or Lincoln in our views. We could have waited to watch Skyfall at home vs paying theater admission.

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We could have waited to watch Skyfall at home vs paying theater admission.
I'm planning to watch that one in a week or two just for the "big screen" experience.

Otherwise I'd be waiting 6-12 months for the DVD to show up at our library, and then watching it on a 21" CRT.
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I saw Lincoln on Saturday. There is an excellent scene where Lincoln describes the ambiguous status of the Emancipation Proclamation and why he wanted to pursue an amendment.

There are two parts to the historical accuracy worth looking for. There is the accuracy of the account of the story and there is the accuracy of the look and feel of the visuals.

By the way, this is not an action movie by any means. It's all talk and politics over a couple of months leading up to the vote on the 13th amendment. For those of you talking about Skyfall . . . this is a whole different type of movie.
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I'm planning to watch that one in a week or two just for the "big screen" experience.

Otherwise I'd be waiting 6-12 months for the DVD to show up at our library, and then watching it on a 21" CRT.
I saw Skyfall in Imax. I think its the best bond film since Goldfinger. The cinematography was fantastic. Casino Royal is right behind it. In my opinion. Of course others may have a different view but Rodger Moore agrees.

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7. Lincoln deliberately provoked the War by refusing to evacuate Fort Sumter, which the military had advised him was indefensible. Lincoln thereby initiated the American tradition of starting wars in a democratic country by getting yourself attacked first, which was the method of choice in the Spanish-American War (battleship Maine), WWI (Lusitania), WWII (Pearl Harbor), and Viet Nam (Tonkin Bay incident.)

The sinking of the Lusitania occured in 1915. The US did not declare war on Germany until 1917. The immediate cause of America's entry into World War I in April 1917 was the German announcement of unrestricted submarine warfare, not the Lusitania.

So Pearl Harbor being attacked was "the method of choice" for us getting into WWII? Nice, real nice.

I'll grant you the other 2 though.
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