Martha said:I rarely see people who have addiction problems (food, alcohol, cigarettes, etc) blame anyone but themselves. They live with so much shame that the shame makes it difficult for them to find motivation to change.
I believe I have suggested several positive ways to promote weight loss in this country.
kowski said:Leave the fat people alone. They have the right to be fat if they want.
Lena said:Martha,
it doesn't really matter how many positive ways you try to promote health and help people.
To break any habbit requires hard work on the part of the person. We, as a comminuty, can only do so much, unless we prepare to make it mandatory, create laws, etc. But then your come against that whole "free will" thing.
May be the people you have met were blaming themselves and not the rest of the world. Unless they did anything to change those habbits, what good did it do?
Lena
So, what I recommend is having a major public health inititive to combat obesity and other addictive disorders. A five year plan to help people become healthier. There could be many aspects to the plan. Tax deductions for weight loss programs (that are based on evidence) and exercise programs. Free nicotine substitutes from your public health nurse. Dramatic changes in school lunch programs. In schools, I remember the clutzy and chubby kids shamed in gym class. The shame didn't help. Instead, help kids find waht they enjoy doing so long as it is moving around. Spinning if nothing else.
Wait-- just one more chorus!REWahoo! said:I think I hear the fat lady warming up her voice...
No, but their weight sure as heck affects their credibility.mclesters said:When I got there, the 100 lbs overweight nurse did my weight, blood pressure, temp and asked me what I was there for. Somewhat embarrassed, I replied for weight loss advice. Then the doctor came in (okay came in 45 minutes later), who is about 40 lbs overweight.
Now I realize that her knowledge of nutrition is not affected by her weight, but it is strange to be talking about losing weight with a doctor who is overweight (recalling the docs I've known who smoked).
Yes, as long as their lifestyle choice doesn't tax take my money away from me without my choice.kowski said:Leave the fat people alone. They have the right to be fat if they want.
Hey, Lena, instead of attacking the posters perhaps you could share how your program is better than some other poster's program. Instead of "Yeah, but" questions you could proffer a positive contribution.Lena said:Is this what you are referring to? Interesting.
How are you going to get people to sign up? And if you do get people to sign up, what happens when they gain it back again? More deductions? More free stuff?
Martha, you are very respected on this board, your intelligence was mentioned by a few posters, and I've only been here two minutes, but how realistic are you ideas?
Lena
Hey, Lena, instead of attacking the posters perhaps you could share how your program is better than some other poster's program. Instead of "Yeah, but" questions you could proffer a positive contribution
That's your first mistake. Doctors are not trained well, if at all, about nutrition and diet. My DW got her first degree in Hospital Dietetics. She planned hospital diets and educated patients at a number of hospitals including Stanford Medical Center heart transplant floor. Through that work we got to know a number of hospital dieticians, nurses and doctors over the years. When it came to diet, I think everyone we knew was in agreement that doctors were the worst source of information. Some of the stories about doctor's diet advice would have been funny if they weren't frightening. There are exceptions -- doctors who have actually studied nutrition and diet -- but they are rare.mclesters said:. . . I went to see my GP yesterday, to talk nutrition and diet. . . .
cube_rat said:Can someone padlock this thread and call it a day?
I only eat vegitarian kayaks.Laurence said:I hear Hitler was a vegitarian!
Kayaking is a great form of exercise!
Lena said:Is this what you are referring to? Interesting.
How are you going to get people to sign up? And if you do get people to sign up, what happens when they gain it back again? More deductions? More free stuff?
Martha, you are very respected on this board, your intelligence was mentioned by a few posters, and I've only been here two minutes, but how realistic are you ideas?
Lena
Laurence said:I hear Hitler was a vegitarian!
Kayaking is a great form of exercise!