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Old 02-19-2012, 01:30 PM   #61
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Every time I hear of skyrocketing gas prices, I can't help but search about gas efficient cars. The latest one I have an interest in is the new Toyota Prius C.

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Not that I'm about to buy yet, but it doesn't hurt to stay informed.
I've been about to buy a Prius for many years, seem to have the "one more year syndrome" on that front. If my 2003 Honda would just have a catastrophic breakdown, that's all it would take...
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Every time I hear of skyrocketing gas prices, I can't help but search about gas efficient cars. The latest one I have an interest in is the new Toyota Prius C.
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Not that I'm about to buy yet, but it doesn't hurt to stay informed.
You can keep an eye on it at PriusChat.com, too. The engineers there are quick to give an unbiased estimate.

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I use the air pump every other visit which is about once every 6-7 weeks. Usually one or two tires need some air.
Yikes.

I put air in my tires once or twice a year. You appear to have leakage issues.
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That hollow, distant laughter you can here is your European friends, all of whom would crawl over broken glass to be allowed to pay $4, or indeed $6, for a gallon of gas. Today in Germany, I saw some kind of super-mega-premium grade - which, to be fair, you'd have to be an idiot to put in your car anyway, not least because you'd need an idiot's car *cough* Porsche Cayenne *cough* to want to - at $9.50 per US gallon. Regular gas is still bumping along around the $8 mark here.
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The price of gasoline includes a lot more than the pump price. Think of some of the oil rich parts of the world. The price is often paid in blood, not just dollars, euros, yen, etc. It is in our own best interest to use oil products prudently, find domestic resources, and, ultimately, develop alternatives to oil. My 2 cents.
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That hollow, distant laughter you can here is your European friends, all of whom would crawl over broken glass to be allowed to pay $4, or indeed $6, for a gallon of gas. Today in Germany, I saw some kind of super-mega-premium grade - which, to be fair, you'd have to be an idiot to put in your car anyway, not least because you'd need an idiot's car *cough* Porsche Cayenne *cough* to want to - at $9.50 per US gallon. Regular gas is still bumping along around the $8 mark here.
Crawl over broken glass to talk to their elected officials. Predictable correlation with consumption as expected...
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Yikes.

I put air in my tires once or twice a year. You appear to have leakage issues.
I disagree.

How often should the tire pressure be checked? - Tire Gauge China Factory, Rising

Most of the time, I add 2-3 psi to one or two tires tops. I had one tire fixed a few months ago which was actually leaking air (10 psi in 2 days).

You should check your tires more often.
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I've been about to buy a Prius for many years, seem to have the "one more year syndrome" on that front. If my 2003 Honda would just have a catastrophic breakdown, that's all it would take...
From what I've read thus far, the only negative which I see on the Prius C is it's small gas tank size (only 9 gallons). Of course at 50mpg, that's still 450 miles before a fill up.
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You can keep an eye on it at PriusChat.com, too. The engineers there are quick to give an unbiased estimate.
Thanks. I'll have to give that site a visit.
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From what I've read thus far, the only negative which I see on the Prius C is it's small gas tank size (only 9 gallons). Of course at 50mpg, that's still 450 miles before a fill up.
From what I've seen, the c will have essentially the same mileage as the regular Prius. I'd rather have the extra space. Evidently the c will cost quite a bit less, but about the same mpg.
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From what I've seen, the c will have essentially the same mileage as the regular Prius. I'd rather have the extra space. Evidently the c will cost quite a bit less, but about the same mpg.
I went over to Priuschat.com as Nords suggested (thx Nords), there's plenty on the Prius C there. One article which seems to indicate that the 53mpg estimate is conservative and the actual mpg is closer to 60.

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Yeah price already 4/gal. in So Cal for unleaded regular.
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If high mileage is a goal then a Honda 250cc motorcycle is a viable choice. A guy at work has one and in an effort to get 100 mpg with it he did get 99.5 mpg stock, no modifications. Close enough. They're popular worldwide for that reason.

Like last time though, motorcycle sales will soar.
100 mpg IS a remarkable feat. My old cars get 25 mpg. They weigh 10 times as much as the Honda 250 and carry 5 times the passengers (and heaven knows how much more cargo.) Additionally, they have some intrinsic additional safety not to mention creature comforts and climate control. Not at all saying MCs don't have a place in this discussion of $4 gas, but for the amount of fuel used per mile, the car has a lot more utility IMO. The real issues with cars is using them for a single occupant. In this mode, most cars lose out (fuel-mileage wise) to almost any 2 wheeler. But, I guess my point is that the savings of a MC is not all that dramatic when you consider all the other factors besides fuel used per vehicle mile. For the difference in size/weight, one might expect a lot higher mileage for the MC. YMMV

Been fascinated lately by the electric scooters now available. No idea how reliable they are nor what the maintenance costs would be. Still, for roughly $.01 to $0.02 per mile of electricity, it would seem like a good neighborhood "cruiser". If I put a couple of baskets on one, I could do 80% of my shopping. The trick is not to get run over by an SUV or bus. The driver of the other vehicle would probably never know he hit anyone and only assume he had hit a chuck hole.
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...The trick is not to get run over by an SUV or bus. The driver of the other vehicle would probably never know he hit anyone and only assume he had hit a chuck hole.
That's the whole g*******ed problem with riding a two-wheeler in the US!

In other countries, the drivers know to look out for the cyclists. We have been to Barcelona, and there were a lot of scooters in the streets.



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I use the air pump every other visit which is about once every 6-7 weeks. Usually one or two tires need some air. The pump costs 75 cents so if he is charging 7-8 cents per gallon more than other stations (none of which are as conveniently located as his), then the breakeven point is 10 gallons which is about what I buy per visit. So the free air offsets half the overall cost (not the total cost, if I implied that).
Here in California, if you buy any gas they have to give you free air. So, note that you can buy $1 worth of gas, and get free air, which is what I do if I'm stuck somewhere that doesn't have free air.
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Here in California, if you buy any gas they have to give you free air.
We have something similar here...
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Where I have noticed the increase is airline tickets . We have a few trips planned and trying to find reasonable airfare is almost impossible . I did snag a round trip flight from Sarasota to New York City for $250 from Jet Blue .
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Most of the time, I add 2-3 psi to one or two tires tops. I had one tire fixed a few months ago which was actually leaking air (10 psi in 2 days).
You should check your tires more often.
I do-- every time the low-pressure light comes on!

I think if your tire pressure is lower every time you check it, and you're checking it that often, then you have leakage issues. Even if it's just leaking around the tire gauge.

And, no, I don't check my oil level any more either. I haven't had an oil light or a temperature issue in well over a decade.

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I went over to Priuschat.com as Nords suggested (thx Nords), there's plenty on the Prius C there. One article which seems to indicate that the 53mpg estimate is conservative and the actual mpg is closer to 60.
Yeah, I don't think you'll be unhappy about the size of the fuel tank.

Unless the surfing is good, I fill our 10-gallon tank about once every 6-8 weeks.
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The biggest gas guzzlers around here are outboard motors. Many get less than 1mpg. High gas prices have almost wiped out recreational boating. The little put-puts and the mega-yachts are still out there, but the average sized boat is gone or stuck at the dock.
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Been fascinated lately by the electric scooters now available. No idea how reliable they are nor what the maintenance costs would be. Still, for roughly $.01 to $0.02 per mile of electricity, it would seem like a good neighborhood "cruiser". If I put a couple of baskets on one, I could do 80% of my shopping. The trick is not to get run over by an SUV or bus. The driver of the other vehicle would probably never know he hit anyone and only assume he had hit a chuck hole.
There is much development going on with electric motorcycles although not with the same intensity as with cars. One about to go on market gets ~25-40 miles between charges, top end ~70mph. In the right environment that is a viable short-commute vehicle.

Before I bought the bike I did a lot of reading on the safety aspects. Most of it is mental, in paying attention to what is going on around you. Close to half of fatal motorcycle accidents involve alcohol on the part of the rider. Even at 17 I had better sense than that. One author is working on a book interviewing riders who have gone 300k+ miles without a scratch with the objective of answering "What are these people doing different?"

One study known as the Hurt Report (author's name is Hurt) noted that the accident rate peaks between 18-36 months of ownership, indicating that overconfidence is an issue.

Obviously motorcycles are not for everyone. But they sure are fun!
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The biggest gas guzzlers around here are outboard motors. Many get less than 1mpg. High gas prices have almost wiped out recreational boating. The little put-puts and the mega-yachts are still out there, but the average sized boat is gone or stuck at the dock.
From my 35+ years boating, most boats rarely if ever leave the dock, not a new phenomena though it's indeed gotten worse. Most seem to be used as floating hotel rooms owned by aspiring Parrotheads. High gas prices and high boat prices (raw materials tied to crude oil) have almost wiped out recreational boating.
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