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Old 03-30-2015, 01:55 PM   #141
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Economics, sadly. (and that nasty crash on the last flight ever).

Fortunately, I did have the opportunity to make two separate flights on the Concorde back in the day.

Cool, in it's own noisy, cramped way. Interesting seatmates however!!
Flew Concorde over a dozen times, but I am one of the select few in the world that have flown Concorde (NY to London) sub-sonic the entire way! The re-heat doors (which kept the engines from overheating at super sonic speeds) failed to open on one of my flights. "Luckily" our pilot informed us they had the forethought to file a sub-sonic flight plan just in case. Ugh.

Think it is cramped for 3 hours, try it for 8!
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Old 03-30-2015, 02:38 PM   #142
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I can deal with the inconveniences, but crashing is my worst nightmare. These 138 people were lucky to walk away from a crash landing in a snowstorm yesterday. As the TSB expert said, it could have been a lot worse.

Air Canada AC624 crash probe gets help from police drones - Nova Scotia - CBC News
I saw this on the news last night and the passengers seemed absolutely terrified as the interviewer talked to them in the airport, just terrified. It must have been so awful with the Germanwings crash still so fresh in their minds.
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I saw this on the news last night and the passengers seemed absolutely terrified as the interviewer talked to them in the airport, just terrified. It must have been so awful with the Germanwings crash still so fresh in their minds.

... AND I think the airline spokesperson was calling it a rough landing. DW and I saw the plane photos and that was a crash landing for sure. What was the spokesperson thinking?
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... AND I think the airline spokesperson was calling it a rough landing. DW and I saw the plane photos and that was a crash landing for sure. What was the spokesperson thinking?
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... AND I think the airline spokesperson was calling it a rough landing. DW and I saw the plane photos and that was a crash landing for sure. What was the spokesperson thinking?
You have to understand the aviation criteria.

1. A landing you can walk away from is a good landing.

2. A landing after which they can use the airplane again is a great landing.
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You have to understand the aviation criteria.

1. A landing you can walk away from is a good landing.

2. A landing after which they can use the airplane again is a great landing.
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They were a little short, glad nothing worse happened. I'm wondering what the pilot was thinking when they realized it was short. Oh cr....!
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They were a little short, glad nothing worse happened. I'm wondering what the pilot was thinking when they realized it was short. Oh cr....!
Indeed. And he's probably still filling out paperwork.
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Indeed. And he's probably still filling out paperwork.
Maybe, but my guess is he first went out to buy some clean underwear...
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You have to understand the aviation criteria.

1. A landing you can walk away from is a good landing.

2. A landing after which they can use the airplane again is a great landing.
Agree completely on #1.

Do you really think they can use that plane again? I was thinking they would be dismantling it for parts.
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Do you really think they can use that plane again? I was thinking they would be dismantling it for parts.
I'd guess not since the engines will have to be overhauled and that is half the value of the airplane. Jet engines are extremely expensive. The reliability they are known for does not come cheap.

But that's a guess, I really have no idea.
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You have to understand the aviation criteria.

1. A landing you can walk away from is a good landing.

2. A landing after which they can use the airplane again is a great landing.

I wonder what would they call a landing which 20 passengers ended up in hospital as in this case? Landing with style?
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I'd guess not since the engines will have to be overhauled and that is half the value of the airplane. Jet engines are extremely expensive. The reliability they are known for does not come cheap.

But that's a guess, I really have no idea.
The engines are beyond overhauling. One of them fell off and the other is in bits.

The seats might be worth something!
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There could be hidden structural damage to the plane that I imagine would preclude the risk of it being put back into passenger service even if it could be repaired.
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There could be hidden structural damage to the plane that I imagine would preclude the risk of it being put back into passenger service even if it could be repaired.
That's the reason it is probably junk. The required inspections mean they'd have to all but disassemble the entire airplane and each engine, inspect each part, and reassemble it. By the time that's done a new aircraft is cheaper.
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The article mentions about them dismantling the plane... so I doubt it is going to fly again...
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There could be hidden structural damage to the plane that I imagine would preclude the risk of it being put back into passenger service even if it could be repaired.
Exactly. I wouldn't be too confident flying in that airframe after it bellyflopped onto the runway and scraped it for 1100 metres.

OTOH, Air Canada did not scrap the Gimli Glider, but kept it in service for another 25 years. But it was not so damaged as this plane is.

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ER gave me the time to get my pilots license and my own plane. I can beat the airlines on most of the trips I take when you consider I am 5 min from my hangar and can be airborne soon after. Also most towns have a small airport that I can land at. A 17 hour drive which would mean staying overnight, is 6 hours flying with a stop half way for a break.

I flew down to the keys yesterday just because I could, it took me about 1 1/2 hours compared to a 4-5 hour drive.

We love flying our own plane. But we don't mess with the weather. But being retired we can pick when we go.
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We just pull the plane out and load whatever we want. Then put the car in the hangar and go.
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We just pull the plane out and load whatever we want. Then put the car in the hangar and go.
I hope you are proud of yourself; posts like these drive people like me to OMY syndrome:
  • X more months to afford my license
  • Y months to buy the plane
  • Z months for my own hanger
  • Then, ongoing insurance, fuel, occasional overhauls, etc.

Yes, I have always wanted this; but, I am not sure it is worth the additional time at my desk. So, I am probably just going to see if the market is good enough to me that I can do this some day. Until then, I do have well over 1MM frequent flier miles to spend getting off the ground.
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We just pull the plane out and load whatever we want. Then put the car in the hangar and go.

As DIY as I am, this is one that I'll leave for the professionals.

I'm curious, what do you do for transportation after you arrive? Are there car rental agencies at smaller airports?
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