Good reason not to do drugs

mostly all i ever did was cigarettes, pot & booze but after i lost my partner at 35 to an overdose i stopped even drinking coffee & soda. then at 47 i lost my best friend to meth. i (thought i) knew he had tried it a few times but i didn't know how addictive it was or how addicted my friend was to it.

i don't know, but it could very well be that the death of my partner prevented me from dying with my best friend.
 
I've seen a documentary that says the recovery rate for meth is lowest among any of the nasty drugs - i.e. it is easier to kick the heroin habit.

Scary, scary stuff.

What happened to the good old days of a little bit of weed and some Pink Floyd. Sheesh.

- John
 
I considered myself fairly worldly on different things. But seeing what Meth does to people was a complete shock. I never realized how destructive that drug is as compared to others.
 
I worked at the welfare office between the dot-com bust and grad school, and 3/4 of my case load was there directly or indirectly due to meth. I watched people disintegrate physically and mentally in front of my eyes over the two yeare and change that i worked there. Scary, scary stuff.
 
The challenge for us all is how do we discourage folks from trying it in the first place?

Meth is a business: it has marketing, distribution, manufacturing and materials aspects. We need to attack all components but most of all marketing, for if there are no (or few) customers the other components die away.

There is little demand for Betel Nuts here because the habit is not viewed in our society as 'cool'. We need to teach that meth use is vile and those who tell you otherwise are pimps of the worst type. It would be interesting to hear rehab specialists describe the characteristics of the first time user. That should be our target group to educate.
 
Meth has really screwed up my life.

Just last week in fact I had to wait 45 minutes at Walmart's pharmacy so I could buy a pack of Sudafed. Due to new laws enacted here, you have to show a photo ID and sign for your sudephedrine-containing over-the-counter medicines. And you can only buy 2 at a time.

Dang meth heads! :D
 
Brat said:
It would be interesting to hear rehab specialists describe the characteristics of the first time user. That should be our target group to educate.
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I was never in the rehab business, but I know what I saw was a lot of self-medicating of depression, etc. by people who had no access to mental health assistance, or who did not trust the services they could access. Also, if your family has lived in poverty for as many generations back as you can remember, the welfare system is designed to keep people alive but poor, and you haven't clue one how to escape your fate by your own bootstraps, why not at least get high/eat fast food/make babies/run up payday loan debt so you can have some sort of pleasure in your life?
 
Brat said:
The challenge for us all is how do we discourage folks from trying it in the first place?
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my dentist prominently posted a picture in his exam room of an addict's mouth which had been seriously deformed by meth. reminded me of that dirty lung they showed us in grade school. it never stopped me from starting to smoke cigs but the image has stayed with me through today and it did help me later to quit.
 
My son had a customer who turned out to be a supplier. DEA found a s**t load of sudephedrine in his storage unit in a nearby town. He was found because DEA caught a manufacturer who gave him up in exchange for a lighter sentence. We also heard that the manufacturer was in arrears to the supplier.

Clamping down on sudephedrine distribution is good but not enough.

Good for that dentist!!! While I think that many meth users never saw the inside of a dental office every educational opportunity should be used. The most vulnerable group are teenagers who care a lot about their appearance.

I remember one teen's reaction when she sat next to DH on the bus. He told her she stank. She was startled, so he explained to her that the smell of cigarettes can be a real turn-off to many young men - why limit your potential universe of boy friends. She said she never thought of that.

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Brat said:
Clamping down on sudephedrine distribution is good but not enough.
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Sorry... but very stupid IMO.... it is now hard to get something that is LEGAL, non-prescriptive that helps me with my allergies.. Pass a law or something that says not to sell more than 3 or 5 packs... but, if you still want to get it, you can... NOBODY ever checks the list of who is buying this stuff... just another layer of stupid law that cost us time and money..
 
Did anyone see that Anna died with 9 (NINE) drugs in her system:confused:?

But, as one DJ said on the radio.... Elvis still hold the record with 11...
 
Texas Proud said:
Sorry... but very stupid IMO.... it is now hard to get something that is LEGAL, non-prescriptive that helps me with my allergies.. Pass a law or something that says not to sell more than 3 or 5 packs... but, if you still want to get it, you can... NOBODY ever checks the list of who is buying this stuff... just another layer of stupid law that cost us time and money..
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It's not that no one should buy or use the stuff, just not in sufficient quantity to use in meth mfg. Don't be too confident that no one is checking. Drug cops know their neighborhood. They can scan the list and pick up on patterns, associates of known cooks, that you or I would miss completely.

Actually the program is very effective. What is happening now is that in order to mfg in quantity locally they must import from abroad, a disruption of their supply chain. There are BIG profits in meth mfg so they will do whatever they can to market their product.
 
My FIL was a hard core meth addict. It nearly ruined DW's family and childhood. Long story short he spent 2 years in jail and somehow once he was out was able to stay off it. AA and NA meetings to this day, every week. I can't imagine the demons he fights. As it is, he's done enough damage to his body that he's probably shortened his lifespan significantly. I hate the drug, and I think dealers are the worst type of scum. I'm at a loss to offer a solution. Maybe it should be legalized and heavily regulated so those who are addicted are not underground and only heard of when they commit a crime?
 
Texas Proud said:
just another layer of stupid law that cost us time and money..
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But these laws make politicians feel good about themselves. Every politician who voted for the law can now say that they are tough on the war on drugs. They have Zero Tolerance for drugs no matter what the consequences are.
 
It is hard to know how to effectively fight this disease. IMHO we should make every effort to prevent people from being seduced by the pushers. The users become threats to civil society. Once their addiction becomes well established they are unemployable and steal to support their addiction. They are toxic members of the family. It would be more humane to secure them in a facility where they can receive treatment. Pushers and manufacturers should be jailed for life, IMHO.

I really think making it's use a social stigma, particularly for the youth who are suckers for the sell, would be more effective than 'just say no.'
 
Brat said:
It's not that no one should buy or use the stuff, just not in sufficient quantity to use in meth mfg. Don't be too confident that no one is checking. Drug cops know their neighborhood. They can scan the list and pick up on patterns, associates of known cooks, that you or I would miss completely.

Actually the program is very effective. What is happening now is that in order to mfg in quantity locally they must import from abroad, a disruption of their supply chain. There are BIG profits in meth mfg so they will do whatever they can to market their product.
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I don't mind them having a limit... from the shows they had on TV, it takes a LOT for the meth labs... so, someone buying 2 to 5 boxes is not going to make a dent...

And I have asked every time I buy if ANYBODY has ever looked at the list (and I have been to a few drug stores).. and always get the answer, never. They don't have to send them anywhere and nobody looks at them... So, again I say that a stupid law that is not getting at the problem. And BTW, I had also asked if there is anything preventing me from going store to store and buying... all pharmacies have said "no"... they don't even keep records in the same company at different stores...
 
Texas Proud said:
I don't mind them having a limit... from the shows they had on TV, it takes a LOT for the meth labs... so, someone buying 2 to 5 boxes is not going to make a dent...

And I have asked every time I buy if ANYBODY has ever looked at the list (and I have been to a few drug stores).. and always get the answer, never. They don't have to send them anywhere and nobody looks at them... So, again I say that a stupid law that is not getting at the problem. And BTW, I had also asked if there is anything preventing me from going store to store and buying... all pharmacies have said "no"... they don't even keep records in the same company at different stores...
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Drug dealers don't buy their boxes of cold pills like you do. They steal them off the shelves. That's why them being behind the counter reduces the supply.
 
Texas Proud said:
Sorry... but very stupid IMO.... it is now hard to get something that is LEGAL, non-prescriptive that helps me with my allergies.. Pass a law or something that says not to sell more than 3 or 5 packs... but, if you still want to get it, you can... NOBODY ever checks the list of who is buying this stuff... just another layer of stupid law that cost us time and money..
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I don't understand the reasoning behind making it SOOOOO difficult to buy a single pack of sudafed. I wish the law were you can sell up to two packs without question. If you want to buy 3 or more, they take you to the back, call the DEA, the FBI, Homeland Security, the county sherriff, and Jesus. Then they interrogate you for a few hours about what you need 3 or more packs of sudafed for. Then fingerprint you, book you, and hold you overnight for observation purposes. Put your name in a big black book, and then they can sell you the 3 packs of sudafed.
 
neeps said:
Drug dealers don't buy their boxes of cold pills like you do. They steal them off the shelves. That's why them being behind the counter reduces the supply.
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Still don't make sense to me... there were never many boxes when I went to the store.. now that they are behind the counter... they don't keep as many... there are times I go and ask and they say "we don't have any"... use the crap they have replaced it with... (which does not work)...

SO, because 1 or 2% of the population can't do what they need to, let's punish the other 98%... yea, that makes perfect sense to me..

The shows I saw with the meth labs, they were BUYING the product in BULK... some were buying DRUMS full of the drug, not single packs.. and when it was the boxes we get... they were buying many cases... I doubt that the few boxes on the store shelves has any MAJOR impact on the drug trade... yet, we are the ones who have to pay the price...
 
Texas Proud said:
SO, because 1 or 2% of the population can't do what they need to, let's punish the other 98%... yea, that makes perfect sense to me..
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Wasn't that the point of Prohibition?
 
Texas Proud said:
SO, because 1 or 2% of the population can't do what they need to, let's punish the other 98%... yea, that makes perfect sense to me..

... yet, we are the ones who have to pay the price...
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This applies to oodles of stuff...like everytime I take my shoes off at the airport (which 32 times in the last 6 months)...at least they allow 3 oz. liquids now - those international flights suck w/o chapstick or lotion...

The point being that the majority is often the one that suffers for the minority...how about gun licences?
 
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