... I still need to lower my carbs for better results.
Low carb is good, but intermittent fasting appears to be even better for correcting metabolic issues. Combining the two would be very powerful.
... I still need to lower my carbs for better results.
Low carb is good, but intermittent fasting appears to be even better for correcting metabolic issues. Combining the two would be very powerful.
I wonder if you can give a link or reference ideally to some studies that look at this WRT metabolic (particularly sugar) issues.Low carb is good, but intermittent fasting appears to be even better for correcting metabolic issues. Combining the two would be very powerful.
I wonder if you can give a link or reference ideally to some studies that look at this WRT metabolic (particularly sugar) issues.
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This sounds more like a weight loss type diet, and not sure there is valid evidence to support it.
I am not concerned about being overweigh, so will continue to work towards less carbs and slower digesting ones.
With IF, you will likely lose weight if you have a weight problem. Rather than a diet, intermittent fasting is a more natural eating pattern that puts things back the way they are designed to be. It is a technique that NORMALIZES abnormal conditions.
Diabetes is serious, as is high blood pressure. Being overweight is a risk factor. I encourage you to work as hard as you can to maintain your health.
... Couldn't IF (eg 3 day fast) stress one's system to go into a catabolic state? ...
The good news is my quarterly A1Cs have been rock steady at 5.5 since first being diagnosed with T2 in August 2008. Unfortunately, I have been a carb lover most of my life, and should probably be reducing my carbs even more
My FBS are ususally below 110, but I also take a BP medicine at bedtime which may affect it some. But, I still need to lower my carbs for better results.
IF protocols usually involve fasts of at most 24 hours. Most people that use IF typically end up with about a 4-6 hour eating window each day; however, there is a lot of variation in the length of the fast (perhaps ~16 hours on the short side, and 36 hours on the long side). The system boils down to a simple idea: periodically, you must give your body time to operate in its 'fat burning' mode.
Fasts beyond 24 hours are also effective. A study involving a 48 hour fast has shown no decrease in metabolism (and actually a slight increase). In an extended fast, the body doesn't need to use muscle tissue until about 3 days. The newcastle study suggests diabetes can be cured with an extended fast. Interestingly, there is a (good) theory that a 7 day fast will kill certain types of cancer cells (particularly cancer of the brain). Yes this paragraph sounds wacky.
I hope you are recommending IF to non-diabetics. Diabetics are encouraged to eat their meals at regular times without skipping meals.
Just curious. If your A1c has been a steady 5.5, which is an average blood sugar of 112, and your fasting is around 110, it seems to me that you are probably not spiking very much after meals, unless your A1c is being distorted by "lows". Why do you think you need to further reduce your carbs?
The approved guidelines are 60% carbohydrate, 10% protein and 30% fat. That is 1200 calories of carbohydrates in a 2000 calorie diet, which is not a moderate amount. (80 teaspoons of sugar per day!)
How much carb?
A place to start is at about 45-60 grams of carbohydrate at a meal. You may need more or less carbohydrate at meals depending on your activity level, your age and the medicines you take.
haha said:Your logic as usual is unassailable. If you should become diabetic, please follow your logic and report back to us.Because too much is bad, it doesn't follow that best is none.
Well thank you, but I think that is what I was trying to say.His logic doesn't preclude that the best would be none, he only says it doesn't follow logically that it must be that the best is none. So following his logic means he could be open to less or none. If he became diabetic, I think he'd research it - I think he's just commenting on the logic is all.
-ERD50
Isn't that off by about a factor of two? I found this from the diabetes.org site:
About - MyFoodAdvisor™
So 3 meals times ~ 50 gm times ~ 4 calories/gm = 600 calories from carbs.
It may turn out that is too much, I don't know. But it is half of your figure.
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And then some of us old pharts have the condition, not that it ran in our famlies, nor being obese, but having the "experience" of being saturated with TCDD much earlier in our lives ...Another news item on the national news last night about how the obesity epidemic keeps getting worse. It was followed by the standard advice of "eat less fat." So, more diabetes on the way.
I would also suggest reading Dr. Neal Barnard’s Program for Reversing Diabetes: The Scientifically Proven System for Reversing Diabetes Without Drugs
Neal D. Barnard, M.D./ a Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) site / Introducing Dr. Neal Barnard's Program for Reversing Diabetes
I'm going to go out on a limb here but I'm thinking that Dr. Barnard doesn't follow the "Dukan Diet"?
Another news item on the national news last night about how the obesity epidemic keeps getting worse. It was followed by the standard advice of "eat less fat." So, more diabetes on the way.
Talk about a positive feedback loop!
Low carb... low fat... there seem to be success stories for each. The only thing I have not seen promoted is a diet rich in refined carbs. So I do limit those, and it's pretty easy for me even w/o any 'sugar substitutes'.
-ERD50
What I've bolded may be exactly the reason that there are success stories for each. Here's a quote from Taubes' Why We Get Fat book.
Why Diets Succeed and Fail ...
... and people lost about the same amount of weight on a variety of diets. It just doesn't add up for me.
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-ERD50
I agree with this viewpoint.You can lose weight on any diet, but recent studies show higher compliance and better health results with low carb diets vs low fat diets. Humans vary in insulin sensitivity by a factor of ~6, and insulin sensitivity is the primary thing that determines how someone's body will respond to an infusion of carbohydrate.
In the end, it is very easy to limit carbohydrate intake so you can experience what this means to you. For most people (~70%) limiting carbohydrate intake will improve health.