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In this recent piece by Annuity Fan/Salesman Wade Pfau, he shows how annuities lead to a better outcome for retirees than if they try to manage their saving using only bonds and stocks. Now I am not smart enough to even understand the math and a lot of the "hand-waving" that he seems to do, but the skeptic in me can't help smelling a rat.
There are a lot of smart people on here so I hope somebody can explain it better, or shoot it down better than I can.
He clearly positions an annuity as something like a bond. And he even states that the annuity company is investing in bonds. Seems very similar to a bond fund, except I get "guarantees" on my interest rate. He sees that as a plus...I see that as a huge cost. That guarantee is bought by paying off the salesmen and all these middle men. How can it be cheaper to have all these layers put between me and my money?
If my bond funds values go down, I can still get some of my principle back, but with annuity, my principle is gone for good.
Also the scenario of bad outcome for the bond fund investor does not make sense in light of asset allocation and rebalancing. If I invest in bond funds, I get the income. If bond fund prices fall, my bond funds allocation falls. If I need more income, I probably am selling stocks which now likely comprise a higher part of my asset allocation than they did before my bonds fell...now I am not selling bond funds at a low I am buying these new cheaper bond funds. I am also putting my money into funds WHICH are paying higher interest rates now.
Is it just my lack of understanding how this works or is Pfau trying to hard to sell his annuities?
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In this recent piece by Annuity Fan/Salesman Wade Pfau, he shows how annuities lead to a better outcome for retirees than if they try to manage their saving using only bonds and stocks. Now I am not smart enough to even understand the math and a lot of the "hand-waving" that he seems to do, but the skeptic in me can't help smelling a rat.
There are a lot of smart people on here so I hope somebody can explain it better, or shoot it down better than I can.
He clearly positions an annuity as something like a bond. And he even states that the annuity company is investing in bonds. Seems very similar to a bond fund, except I get "guarantees" on my interest rate. He sees that as a plus...I see that as a huge cost. That guarantee is bought by paying off the salesmen and all these middle men. How can it be cheaper to have all these layers put between me and my money?
If my bond funds values go down, I can still get some of my principle back, but with annuity, my principle is gone for good.
Also the scenario of bad outcome for the bond fund investor does not make sense in light of asset allocation and rebalancing. If I invest in bond funds, I get the income. If bond fund prices fall, my bond funds allocation falls. If I need more income, I probably am selling stocks which now likely comprise a higher part of my asset allocation than they did before my bonds fell...now I am not selling bond funds at a low I am buying these new cheaper bond funds. I am also putting my money into funds WHICH are paying higher interest rates now.
Is it just my lack of understanding how this works or is Pfau trying to hard to sell his annuities?
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