Opinions/advice regarding HOA conflict

Fighting an HOA can be a futile effort. Anyhow, it looks to me like the shrubs next to the house just need trimming, and then I would replace the smaller ones in the front that do look unhealthy and unattractive.
 
Another reason to never live at a place with an HOA. I couldnt imagine someone telling me I cant plant a certain plant. What an abuse of power. Some people need a hobby I suppose. Glad I live on a 30 acre spread where I have no neighbors!
 
Depends on your covenants Chuck - in my HOA, a change to the rules requires a 2/3 turn out to consider the majority valid. Similar quorum also required to vote out/in boardmembers.

In a neighborhood of over 700 homes (mine), it takes quite a groundswell campaign to get rid of people and/or change covenants. So, if only 300 people vote, the current board and/or rules stay, no matter if 100% of the 300 vote one way or the other. We replaced the board this year and everyone is already bitching about the new folks - why anyone would volunteer their time is beyond me - thankless job.

Depending on the rules in your state, HOA's have quite a leg up on avoiding change. That has both pluses and minuses depending on your individual neighborhood.
 
Another reason to never live at a place with an HOA. I couldn't imagine someone telling me I cant plant a certain plant. What an abuse of power. Some people need a hobby I suppose.

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'Stepford' communities where everyone's place has to look exactly the same and everyone has to be carbon copies of their neighbors is too much like MegaCorp politics.
 
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Actually, the condo that we just closed on a couple weeks ago will be our first experience with a HOA. I'm sure that there will be some annoying inconveniences, but at the same time i appreciate that the rules will hopefully bring some consistency and order to the complex.

As an example, our condo rules do not allow any window shades other than white or off-white, but I don't see that as a big deal... I can have any color I want on the inside as long as what shows outside is white or off-white.
 
HOA boards have tremendously broad powers when it comes to interpreting the covenants and by-laws, so it's usually an expensive exercise in futility to try to fight them. And they typically have legal insurance that will protect the other homeowners from exorbitant legal fees arising from lawsuits, so the HOA will be happy to fully engage without fear of going bankrupt if they are sued by a homeowner.

OP, your best strategy by far (if you wish to go ahead the plantings) is to meet with the HOA board in person, explain your position very nicely, calmly, and in the most friendly way possible. Then offer to work with the person (or committee) responsible for reviewing architectural changes to come up with a compromise. Buddying up with the architectural member(s) of the HOA board is the most promising way to get what you want without a protracted conflict with the board. Believe me, you do not want to go down that road. I say this as someone who has served on my HOA's board in the past and has seen it all, including lawsuits. Not pretty.
 
If you have your receipts for the plants you bought, return them and buy what is approved by the HOA. If you don't have the receipts take them back and explain to the nursery what happened and see if they will do a swap. Most nurseries are good about that kind of thing. Hopefully, you are a little wiser now.
 
Even though the OP and his DW bought the condo, it is his DD and her family that have to live there. She probably doesn't care that much about the landscaping to become a rabblerouser, does she?

I agree with the above posters to just replant whatever was there to begin with. Life is just too short to make this a battle.

PS my DH has been waging war too, but on the non-native daylilies he planted decades ago that are invasive and a pain in the butt to eradicate. I know your DW's choice of daylilies is not the same plant but that is the kind of thing the HOA may be watching out for. Just do what they want--your DW can work her magic other places where it will be appreciated.
 
I'm glad I do have an HOA. Good for keeping the riff raff at bay.


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our city code seems sufficient for that purpose...planning and zoning is also very active here
 
That's good. I'm unincorporated, and our county's planning and zoning is only active if someone tries to put up windmills or power plants.

how about having to shovel your sidewalk within 24 hours of snowfall?

yeah, I moved to a house with no sidewalk lol
 
I'm unincorporated also. Seeing how many scofflaws we already have with an HOA, I would not be able to live here without it.

Unfortunately, (always just a few) some people don't care about their neighborhood until the day the decide to put their house on the market.
 
Another reason to never live at a place with an HOA. I couldnt imagine someone telling me I cant plant a certain plant. What an abuse of power. Some people need a hobby I suppose. Glad I live on a 30 acre spread where I have no neighbors!

Always pros and cons. For me the last thing I want is to maintain 30 acres. I'm at the other end of the spectrum. A patio home on a 50 x 100 ft lot. The golf course is my backyard, but I don't have to maintain it. ;)

I'm sure many don't care for small lots with neighbors close by, but it works for me. Very quite neighborhood believe it or not.
 
My condo HOA only has 17 units, and on any given day, it's likely that only half will be occupied. Several are snowbirds, several are retired and love to travel and take long cruises, one is a major league baseball player who only uses it during home games. I had no problem letting them put me on the board, since running this place is a piece of cake. :LOL:
 
Well, I must say I've never seen such a unanimity of response on any topic here. I'm pretty sure some posters come to this site like the Monty Python argument clinic, but not this time. Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated is the basic premise. I'm assuming you all have much more experience with HOAs than I do, so DW and I have decided to go with the recommendations here. We're probably going to sell the place within the next 5 years after DD and family move on to a single family home. Most of the other plants in the neighborhood are looking pretty sick and crappy, so our new ones (of the same inappropriate species) will be still looking somewhat healthy by the time we put it on the market. Hopefully that will help it sell faster.

I'm actually president of our HOA (13 houses) in FL, but all we do is have a shared irrigation system and lawn service. My only duties are signing checks (with the treasurer), calling the annual meeting to order, and cooking the burgers at our annual get together. Other than that, paint your house pink and purple and put a swimming pool in the living room. Fine by us. That's the kind of HOA I appreciate.

So, we're going to replant the ugly Euonymus, although we'll put them in a few feet further from the foundation, and maybe accidently leave one out. I guess we'll have to wait for spring to find any white azaleas. No reputable garden center would be selling them in July around here. I'll finish putting my mini irrigation system in, so the poor things have at least a slight chance of survival. And hopefully the Nazis will find something else to do. Maybe they could chase people around and make them pick up their dog poop.

Thanks for all the advice.
 
Seeing how many scofflaws we already have with an HOA, I would not be able to live here without it.

the shoveling snow thing really got to me, but there are LOTS of people here that don't do it within 24 hours (or ever)

why do people need to be walking on the sidewalk when there is ice/snow on the ground? get on a damn treadmill or something :mad:

the first time some lady was walking in 6" of snow on my sidewalk and looking at me as I pulled in at 6pm after a long day at w8rk up my 30 degree driveway digging in ruts with my studded tires. irritating[/rant]
 
I'm glad I do have an HOA. Good for keeping the riff raff at bay.

Same here. There's a guy two houses up who has had a dead car in his driveway for over a year, one tire is flat and the tags are expired, clearly a violation. The HOA is going to have to sue this fool to get rid of the car.

He could put it in the two-car garage and then no one would care, but he'd have to clear out all the junk first.

Sooner or later, he'll pay for all of it because the HOA will put a lien on the house for all the expenses. Good!
 
Another reason to never live at a place with an HOA. I couldnt imagine someone telling me I cant plant a certain plant. What an abuse of power. Some people need a hobby I suppose. Glad I live on a 30 acre spread where I have no neighbors!


the funny thing is there is just as many govt bodies that can do the same.. I see fights between the city and land owners all the time.. it all depends on the rules of where you live. but I've seen gardens ripped out of people front yards as breaking ordinance, I've seen native flowers mowed down by city workers as deemed "weeds" that you let grow more than 5 inches tall. Its just not as simple as don't live in an HOA anymore.

As for the OP, I do believe what you ripped out was considered foundation plantings and thus the issue. I don't see a way around it but re-planting what was removed with like kind. It should be better worded, my HOA basically states any perennial, shrub, tree, grass or shape/dimension of beds that is altered must be pre-approved. Owners are only allowed to add annuals without pre-approval. The list is very long in regards to garden approval and lawn ornaments, etc..but looking around the neighborhood i got a good sense of what was and wasn't permissible prior to buying.
 
the shoveling snow thing really got to me, but there are LOTS of people here that don't do it within 24 hours (or ever)

why do people need to be walking on the sidewalk when there is ice/snow on the ground? get on a damn treadmill or something :mad:

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Do you not have kids that need to walk to school or to the school bus stop? Thats why we had the shoveling rule so kids weren't in the streets .
 
Do you not have kids that need to walk to school or to the school bus stop? Thats why we had the shoveling rule so kids weren't in the streets .

they get driven to school in bad weather
 
We shovel for the mail carrier who comes to our door and the people who walk on the sidewalks (we live in the center of a village and there is a lot of pedestrian traffic). We did it before work and after when we still had work schedules. We shovel the public sidewalk before we shovel our driveway. We would do it with or without a municipal requirement. Jeez I hate snow. And I have almost broken an ankle trying to walk into town on snow that's melted and refrozen in to ruts on sidewalks that never see a shovel.

OP should be glad not to have to do any more than the HOA allows re planting. DD lives in an HOA development and major plantings (hedges and ornamentals) are paid for out of their HOA fees--I would think OP's HOA's fees should cover those too? Didn't you know there was an HOA when you bought the unit?
 
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