Let's keep it civil. Remember: "Hey, this is the War Room. You can't fight in here!"jclarksnakes said:You probably totally disagree with my opinions and you are wrong.
We're not arguing the goal, only its implementation.
Let's keep it civil. Remember: "Hey, this is the War Room. You can't fight in here!"jclarksnakes said:You probably totally disagree with my opinions and you are wrong.
brewer12345 said:Yeah and the tanks and aircraft carriers and B52s and ICBMs are just for show, right?
PsyopRanger said:If you look at current military doctrine and the past 10 years of conflicts. Intial conflict is minimal and the main tasks are:
Stability Operations
Peace Operations
REWahoo! said:"Let him who desires peace prepare for war."
Thanks. But I'd rather be out of a job and on Brewer's side...REWahoo! said:Nords your "Hey, don't shoot the messengers" post is one of the best things I've seen on the forum, and I'm embarassed to say that I've read almost every last one of the 160,000 messages here. As a former cold warrior, I could not agree more.
West Point, keeping the classics alive, has taught my nephew the Army Ranger a slightly different version:REWahoo! said:"Let him who desires peace prepare for war."
Pretty ironic considering how few of them are veterans. At least an alcoholic understands what he's getting into, whether or not he can abstain.brewer12345 said:Big militaries standing around are just irresistable toys for most politicians. Its like leaving Mad Dog around the house when living with an alcoholic.
Nords said:..GWB's ANG muster sheets notwithstanding, maybe members of government should only be able to proclaim military decisions or vote on war issues if they've served-- or if they have a family member in the service...
brewer12345 said:That's been working out real well lately, I understand.
FWIW, I've little doubt that there is nobody that wants to see peace in Iraq more than the US soldiers who are serving there (well, maybe nobody other than the Iraqis). But to suggest that the whole point of military action is peace is pretty, well, lets say disingenuous.
PsyopRanger said:The passive Clinton Administration approach to Terrorism, Al Qaeda’s threats and terrorists attacks lead to the largest terrorist attack on American soil in US history.
brewer12345 said:Clinton did a LOT to try to stamp out al Qaeda, but it didnt include invading another country so nobody thinks he did anything.
eridanus said:It's difficult, and probably futile, to fight a stateless enemy with an army trained to fight a state.
brewer12345 said:Bull****, pure and simple.
Clinton did a LOT to try to stamp out al Qaeda, but it didnt include invading another country so nobody thinks he did anything. As I understand it, the intelligence community and the outgoing Clinton administration tried pretty hard to underscore the terrorist threat to our current "leaders", but they were laughed at. So we are pissing away untold billions on a war that will never end and will never accomplish anything other than getting more people to hate us.
PsyopRanger said:President Clinton and his national security team ignored several opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates, including one as late as 2000.
brewer12345 said:Tell that to the republican party basher hacks... but don't be surprised if you get a visit rom some large men.
brewer12345 said:I swear, sometimes I just wish I could wake up and realize that all of this mess was just a bad dream.
jclarksnakes said:....Flying first class? Who needs it? It just seems like more of that conspicuous consumption, keeping up with the Joneses crap that is totally pointless. I would actually be embarrassed to sit in first class thinking all those people going by on their way to steerage knew I was totally stupid for wasting good money to get a little more elbow room on a two hour flight. Some things in life are important. Riding first class ain't one of them. BTW, have you noticed how many of the people riding first class these days are enormously obese or get drunkenly loud and abusive? Me thinks it is more pleasant to ride in the back with the sober skinny people.
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jclarksnakes said:BTW, have you noticed how many of the people riding first class these days are enormously obese or get drunkenly loud and abusive? Me thinks it is more pleasant to ride in the back with the sober skinny people.