Purron
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Since someone else brought up Hitler.....here is a website devoted to cats who look like him: Cats That Look Like Hitler!
Little brother, I have forgotten more than you will ever know.
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So far the ad hominem attacks on this board have come from the Obamites, not from the agnostics.
Anyone seen film of Hitler rallies in the 30s?
Now Lil Adolphe was truly an inspirational speaker, with beaucoup charisma. The young folks loved him; they even wore special brown shirts to show their love.
Didn't work out too well for anyone; and I doubt this one will either.
If Obama wins the absolute best possibility is that my taxes go up, my standard of living goes down, and nothing else happens.
I vote for Donald Duck!
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You end your posts with a quote from Voltaire. Let me offer you another of his: "Prejudice is opinion without judgment."
This is an utterly ridiculous and inflammatory statement. You should be banned from the forum for such a statement!!! What's your point? There has been numerous inspirational and eloquent leaders right here in this country so to liken Obama to Hitler is absolutely nasty. What's your point? Why not liken Kennedy to Hitler? Bask in your success and worry that your high income may be taxed just a wee bit to fund some of the health for the millions of unemployed. What a Jerk!!!
I'm posting again, because it wouldn't let me edit to add this.
It may come as a surprise to you HA, (and others), but there are many of us, even those of us with seven figure portfolios, who do not fear paying taxes, want to support our societies, our schools, our libraries and yes, health care for all.
Sometimes, people actually feel they have enough, and are willing to help others. Strange prospect, huh?
LooseChickens
I'm posting again, because it wouldn't let me edit to add this.
It may come as a surprise to you HA, (and others), but there are many of us, even those of us with seven figure portfolios, who do not fear paying taxes, want to support our societies, our schools, our libraries and yes, health care for all.
Sometimes, people actually feel they have enough, and are willing to help others. Strange prospect, huh?
LooseChickens
I'm just amazed at how many have digested soundbites about Barack Obama just being "fluffy talk". I wonder how many have actually gone to his website, Welcome to Obama for America and downloaded and READ the 64 page plan of his position on issues and how he intends to achieve those goals.
Words.......he said something yesterday that I thought interesting.....so many words....words like
I have a dream.......
That we hold these truths to be self evident......
We have nothing to fear but fear itself........
Yep.....words......useless in actually accomplishing something....NOT.
LooseChickens
I didn't say Obama was the moral equivalent of Hitler. That would take some doing for sure. We don't really know much about Obama, as the Germans didn't really know much about Hitler. But what I cited is a simple fact. They both came out of nowhere with powerful speaking abilities, the ability to marshal charisma and personal power and a message for hope and change to a nation feeling kind of battered
If he is so good, wouldn't he still be good eight years from now when is no longer an act of faith and desperate hope? The Dems are likely to win; how would Obama be better than Hillary? Hillary does have a history. Obama has a website.
I didn't say anything about Obama and anti-Semitism, because I don't know anything about that. Though the Louis Farrakhan connection might be worrisome to some.
Republicans have had to listen to their leaders being called fascists for years.
BTW, if you are interested in some parallels between modern US style liberalism and the National Socialism of Germany, a good recent book by an LA Times reporter is Liberal Fascism by Eli Goldberg. But I don't imagine you have time for investigating what you are spouting about; just time for attacking me.
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McCain seems truly to have believed and still believes that the Iraq war was and is necessary. I think he is wrong, so I won't vote for him, but I respect his belief. Clinton's vote to authorize the war was, in my opinion, nothing but political posturing. She saw which way the wind was blowing, knew that she would eventually run for president and did not want to be seen as weak on defense, so she voted in favor. It is telling that she never read the NIE. It is one thing to be honest but mistaken in taking the nation to war. It is quite another to send the children of others to die in order to serve your own political ambition. I find that unforgivable. I believe that Clinton's action in this regard should trouble even those who support the war.
Barack Obama's Record
- Housing: In the U.S. Senate, Obama introduced the STOP FRAUD Act to increase penalties for mortgage fraud and provide more protections for low-income homebuyers, well before the current subprime crisis began.
- Predatory Lending: In the Illinois State Senate, Obama called attention to predatory lending issues. Obama sponsored legislation to combat predatory payday loans, and he also was credited with lobbied the state to more closely regulate some of the most egregious predatory lending practices.
- American Jobs: Barack Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 to provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military.
2 years in the Senate .... hasn't balanced a budget larger than his checkbook or managed a workforce larger than his personal staff.
Chris, I appreciate your willingness to engage the issues. You will perhaps admit that to declare that Hitler was a better orator than Obama isn't very strong objection. Listening to what Oba's supporters say, they are impressed largely by his broad brush ideas of empowerment and hope, plus admiration for his oratorical skills, "charisma" and his ability to work a crowd. I think perhaps more than has been discussed in this bad tempered thread, also by his promise to tax those who have to give to "those who don't". Class warfare is never very attractive to me, but it may be to others, depending on whether they are likely to be counted in the taken-from or the given-to.I don't know what the basis of your opinion is regarding Obama's similarity is to Hitler (coming from "no-where" is kinda of a shallow assertion) -- seems like a pretty loaded charge to make without any real substantiation.
Then you connect Obama to Louis Fararakhan (and anti-semitism) and you admit you don't know anything about that, but you just throw it out there.
You must know that the Farrakhan thing has been around for a long time. Whether it is important or meaningless, I don't know. Unless you are close to the situation, I doubt you do either.
Also, I won't guess as to whether you are serious or just debating. I find that sort of guessing a bit offensive. After all, this is a political thread, and the essence of American politics is debate. With any other candidate in this as well as any other election that I can remember, everything was on the table.
It might be that Mr. Obama will be given a bye on various issues. Maybe he should be, given the many people who seem to be transported by his "message of hope"
My only real message is that we should look before we leap. It seems that there area lot of unknowns in Mr. Obama's candidacy. Perhaps these will be filled in over time. I hope prior to the election.
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You can also say that Obama, like Hitler, also raised himself by his own bootstraps too, but few of us would think that was casting Obama in a favorable light or a meaningful comparison. O0)
(putting on moderator hat) But Obama is the only one talking about what I believe is really important -- we must fix the process and we must all work together to do so. We cannot afford to retreat back to the politics of personal destruction so rampant in the last 20 years. Unless we bring this nation together, all the policies in the world will not solve our problems. The people are ready for a change, and, no, it can't wait another eight years.
Then why do YOU bring it up? It seems like there is enough controversy in this discussion without proposing a comparison and then denying it all in the same sentence.
For you and those others who mumble about "lack of substance", I would suggest you look at his website barackobama.com, under "issues".
</H4>Obama will remove incentives to enter the country illegally by cracking down on employers who hire undocumented immigrants.
Amend the North American Free Trade Agreement: Obama believes that NAFTA and its potential were oversold to the American people. Obama will work with the leaders of Canada and Mexico to fix NAFTA so that it works for American workers.