Longevity and Retirement.

Two glasses of red wine with my evening meal, for longevity. It seems to be working, so far.

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Definitely. I'm by nature a cautious long-term planner and somewhat of a worrier. DW and I ER'd last year in part because quality time has become more important than additional money. We worked for the future long enough to more fully enjoy the now!

Honestly, though, we could accept this only because we also realized that we were FI, well ahead of schedule. One of the many neat things about FI is that it allows, even encourages, options, both in lifestyle as well as ways of thinking.

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This is why I can't entirely quit this place. Even with all the differences this is the only place people speak-a-my language.
 
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Definitely. I'm by nature a cautious long-term planner and somewhat of a worrier. DW and I ER'd last year in part because quality time has become more important than additional money. We worked for the future long enough to more fully enjoy the now!

Honestly, though, we could accept this only because we also realized that we were FI, well ahead of schedule. One of the many neat things about FI is that it allows, even encourages, options, both in lifestyle as well as ways of thinking.

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Indeed! And it's a balancing act, isn't it, ensuring we live enough in the present while being mindful not to "spend" our future? I'm reminded of another fantastic takeaway from the "Comfort Zones" book I mentioned up thread, which is that no one gets this balancing act right all of the time. Personally, this gave me "permission" to not have all the answers all the time, as nobody does. The journey is quite personal and quite individual.

OTOH, my recent in-depth estate planning project coupled with Imoldernu's threads (as well as those threads discussing LTC) have had me pondering the question of what kind of quality of life do I want as I age. I found this to be an excellent discussion regarding late stage end of life care:

https://medium.com/@stevenbirenbaum/lifting-death-s-veil-a-conversation-with-atul-gawande-7f5947f7f045#.nx7vh5kgq

You see an example of someone who kind of takes control. He has this great moment when he says to the doctor, “I know you’ll tell me when I reach the point that I can’t do what I want, which is to be able to still be at home and not in the hospital. I know you’ll tell me that, won’t you?” He was signaling in a very gentle way, “This isn’t the place I want to be, and at a certain point, I want you to have this conversation with me.”

The patient opened the door. He was very clear about what he did not want to sacrifice. You know, if things got bad, he wanted to be home. He wanted to be out of pain. He wanted to be with his family. He wanted to have that time on hospice.

You got to see how different that was from the woman who didn’t have that conversation until towards the very end. Finally, someone asks enough questions to find out that what she really wished for was that she could go to Disney World with her grandchildren. You’re watching, and you’re realizing that they could have given that to her. They could have made that possible for her, but now it’s too late, and it’s not going to happen, and it’s heartbreaking. To see that contrast is a lesson for me and my colleagues — it’s a lesson for all of us.

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One of the critical things to understand is that it’s virtually all of us who end up wanting to be sure that the goal we’re trying to achieve is not necessarily a good death but a good life all the way to the very end. The vast majority of people have concerns about the care they receive not being in alignment with what matters to them most. When that care is out of alignment with their priorities and goals, the result is suffering.
 
DW & I kick this around from time to time. I've related to her the story of my late wife......she was 6 1/2 years younger than me (and never made her 53rd birthday)......the paramedic, who was taking her home from the hospital to die, said to me (and I was in my 60th year) "Don't worry, we'll get your mother home safely".

Not for me...if I can possibly help it, nor for DW.......a one way ticket to Belgium, (who knows, I might even encounter Daesh, and save her the cost of the assisted suicide).....I've had a good life, (I've already lived longer than my father and his brothers did and, because of that, longer than I expected), and I have no desire to rot to the timetable of some foul disease.

DW says "We'll go out together", (but she's 10 years younger than me, with a father who's 90 and in good health, and an 85 year old mother who's not doing so great, but even that is 22 years away for DW).

Things you can't ignore and/or pretend that, in one form or another, are not going to happen......like it or not, they have to be faced head on.
 
An interesting article by Scott Burns that speaks to some of the numbers re life expectancy and leaving money behind.

https://assetbuilder.com/knowledge-center/articles/live-long-spend-freely

Yep. The older you get the harder it is to party hardy aka spend more. At 22 years into ER and into the 70's age wise you look back and wonder why you were such a cheap SOB the first decade of retirement.

But then again it was kind of fun - in a Four Yorkshiremen' Monty Pyton sense.

:dance: :LOL: :D :rolleyes:

heh heh heh - I run OPM a lot - the latest run had us into our 90's. A bit of a stretch I think. :cool:
 
Not for me...if I can possibly help it, nor for DW.......a one way ticket to Belgium, (who knows, I might even encounter Daesh, and save her the cost of the assisted suicide).....I've had a good life, (I've already lived longer than my father and his brothers did and, because of that, longer than I expected), and I have no desire to rot to the timetable of some foul disease.

You know you have access to physician assisted death in Canada now? The Supreme Court set an extended deadline of June 2016 for the legislation, and meanwhile, anyone who meets the criteria has the right to get it approved at a court hearing. There have been 4-5 legal assisted deaths to date.
 
You know you have access to physician assisted death in Canada now?

What, you're trying to cheat me out of my 'final European vacation'? :LOL:
 
I had 2 buddies die of pancreatic cancer, both younger than me.

Not sure why but up until a few years ago, I thought Pancreatic cancer was relatively rare. :nonono: However, in the past few years, I've had a very close friend and a family member who died from it. Both were males, (one in his late 50's, the other in his early 60's.) Both were strong, energetic and the types that never seemed to get sick. One took all the chemo he could the other took nothing. Both lasted about 8 months from their initial diagnosis.
 
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Regarding longevity, the book "Comfort Zones" makes the point that in the final chapter of our lives, we should attempt to get the most of all of its stages (the work/retirement transition period, the go-go years, the slow-go years, and the no-go years). Another takeaway was the no-go years can be a time of great reflection and gratitude for a life well lived. Or not. As in all things in life, what will you choose?

as per psychologist Erik Erikson's 8th Stage of Life:


8. Ego Integrity vs. Despair


As we grow older (65+ yrs) and become senior citizens, we tend to slow down our productivity, and explore life as a retired person. It is during this time that we contemplate our accomplishments and are able to develop integrity if we see ourselves as leading a successful life.

Erik Erikson believed if we see our lives as unproductive, feel guilt about our past, or feel that we did not accomplish our life goals, we become dissatisfied with life and develop despair, often leading to depression and hopelessness.

Success in this stage will lead to the virtue of wisdom. Wisdom enables a person to look back on their life with a sense of closure and completeness, and also accept death without fear.
 
My point was that the "life" described by the author of the article to me is like a walking death (alcohol, drugs to avoid the realization that inhumanely long hours doing nothing more than reviewing documents is soul crushing). Too often we worry about death when we haven't maximized our lives while on earth.

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100% agree--the person profiled had no life and is an object of pity. The long hours of work are standard--but in my large firm experience (not NYC), long hours drinking afterwards are not, save for those who choose it. (Sorry for going on the tangent of the broader statistics!)
 
I don't drink, for several reasons. One of those reasons is the same reason why I don't indulge in recreational drugs: I want to be as fully aware as possible, in order to enjoy every moment of life as much as I can.

I love my life more with each passing year.

If diamonds were as common as pebbles on the street, and our streets were littered with diamonds instead of pebbles, then those diamonds would lose value because of being so common and no longer scarce. Value is so often tied to scarcity or lack of same.

With each passing year the time remaining to us becomes less and less. That time gains value (for some of us), because there is so much less future time available for us to experience than there once was.

I look forward to, and cherish experiencing my remaining years.
 
If diamonds were as common as pebbles on the street, and our streets were littered with diamonds instead of pebbles, then those diamonds would lose value because of being so common and no longer scarce. Value is so often tied to scarcity or lack of same.


Interesting you used this analogy. Diamonds, as you may be aware, are a contrived scarcity with supply being very carefully controlled by DeBeers. Not nearly common as pebbles, but hardly as scarce as one would think based upon price.

So at another level your analogy points to our perception of reality, as distinct from actual reality, being the critical factor in our happiness. A variation on "fake it, till you make it" so to speak...


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I don't drink, for several reasons. One of those reasons is the same reason why I don't indulge in recreational drugs: I want to be as fully aware as possible, in order to enjoy every moment of life as much as I can.

I love my life more with each passing year.

If diamonds were as common as pebbles on the street, and our streets were littered with diamonds instead of pebbles, then those diamonds would lose value because of being so common and no longer scarce. Value is so often tied to scarcity or lack of same.

With each passing year the time remaining to us becomes less and less. That time gains value (for some of us), because there is so much less future time available for us to experience than there once was.

I look forward to, and cherish experiencing my remaining years.
Interesting you used this analogy. Diamonds, as you may be aware, are a contrived scarcity

Thank you for confirming and supporting what I said in my post! Of course, as I'm sure you know and agree, scarcity is scarcity no matter what the reason for it might or might not be.

Sorry if my choice of scarce items distracted you from the main point of my post.
 
Thank you for confirming and supporting what I said in my post! Of course, as I'm sure you know and agree, scarcity is scarcity no matter what the reason for it might be.

Sorry if my choice of scarce items distracted you from the main point of my post.


Not off point at all really. Your observation, inadvertent or not, highlights that we have the ability to craft our emotions (not totally, but more than we might care to admit at times) to our present circumstances, and what the future may hold. Thus, not dwelling too much on "true" reality and its potential heavenly bolts of lightening.


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Not off point at all really. Your observation, inadvertent or not, highlights that we have the ability to craft our emotions (not totally, but more than we might care to admit at times) to our present circumstances, and what the future may hold. Thus, not dwelling too much on "true" reality and its potential heavenly bolts of lightening.

I'm waiting for the "true" reality of my unfortunately finite lifespan to be affected by a heavenly bolt of lightning in the form of an immortality pill. I'd be the first in line. :D

I think that at a 2% WR I might even be able to fund an infinitely long retirement. However, until that immortality pill is invented I'd probably be OK spending a little more if/when needed for my present lifestyle.

If that heavenly bolt of lightning comes in the form of a grim diagnosis (knock on wood!) then oh well, I would not regret a thing because my present lifestyle seems like enough, to me.
 
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I just lost a good friend at 66 and his wife who is 64 had to go into a nursing home. They were healthy until they got cancer. I also lost a good friend right before her 60th. That is the reason we semi-retired at 53 & 58 and are traveling a lot,etc. YOu just never know.
 
You don't have to go to Canada for assist suicide. A well known TV person said on TV, her husband refused to eat for 10 days when it comes time, he had Parkinson's disease, he was gone soon after that.
I'm planning on more traveling to Europe because if something happens, I won't have to worry about nursing home. My husband and I have lived a very good life so far. My mom refused surgery due to lung cancer and she was gone at 63, she thought she lived a long life. So was my dad, no surgery for kidney, and he died of natural cause at 87. Sometime you have to realize, enough is enough.


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My health and well being has improved significantly over the past four years of early retrirement. Like others, I have several colleagues and friends who waited too long and were unable to experience a fruitful early retirement.

I learned a lesson from my father who retired at age 59. He has a number of years of poor health, a few hospital stays, and a stressful work environment. He retired, my parents moved to the west coast. Before long my father was playing 18 holes of golf three or four times a week.

Overnight his health improved. He lived a healthy life, in his own home, until age 87. I have no doubt that a few more years of work would have reduced his longevity and his quality of life.
 
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Within 2 years of my ER, I lost those extra 30 pounds and was able to toss away my blood pressure meds for good ! Stress takes a number of good years away for sure.

Rich
 
Within 2 years of my ER, I lost those extra 30 pounds and was able to toss away my blood pressure meds for good ! Stress takes a number of good years away for sure.

Rich

+1.

Developed type 2 diabetes a couple of years before I retired with no family history of diabetes and I was on 3 different medications. Lost 25 lbs since I retired and I'm not taking any medication and I'm no longer diabetic.
 
Anyone done genetic testing? I did the 23AndMe and then uploaded my gene file to Prometheas.com. For $5 you get a health report that has a LOT of info. Diseases you are prone to, things to watch for. Mine has a warning to not take a certain cholesterol medication as it could cause very bad results.

I have two copies of a gene that is associated with intelligence. Have one copy of a gene that is associated with longevity. Does that mean I'll live long if I'm smart about it? :dance:
 
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