private boarding high school for niece

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At 14 my daughter wanted to be a veternarian/lawyer/president.
I think I wanted to be a municipal trash collector/astronaut.

Relax. At 14 nothing is set.

DD's sixth grade teacher (retired for twenty years and now collecting a low-six figure pension) used to frequently tell her classes that trash collectors made more money than she did, so yeah, a lot of kids thought that was a good idea.
 
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You asked for those with experience with what I thought were boarding schools.

After reading back thru the thread and those that posted after me, I am now confused on exactly what feedback you are looking for.
Your sister has decided to send her to boarding school. You are helping financially.
End of story...right?

I guess I haven't been around kids much (other than when I was one long ago) enough to know if it's realistic of me to think she'll change into a productive adult from what she is now. I'm around kids for one of my volunteer jobs, but it's not the same as trying to give my sister requested advice/guidance/help with her kid. That volunteering has nothing to do with giving advice to kids or their parents.

If niece is making excuses on a lot of things and purposely passing gas then laughing when people say it's gross, is it possible this school will help her grow into a responsible adult? I don't mean perfect, just a reasonably (somewhat overall) respectful human being, not unappreciative of all her mom and other family has done for her.
Or, is she likely to have issues the school can't fix? Is there anything I can say or do to prevent her from going in to that new school, only to fail out or get kicked out?

Her mom and I are on the same page with many similar worries, and as far as both wanting her to be more responsible. Her mom totally agrees with almost all I said other than the part I don't bring up to her - which is it is my sister's own fault in a lot of ways.

I can't tell my sister it's her fault or it would start an argument and nothing good would come from it. My sister does not have the patience to deal with the day-to-day little things parents typically deal with raising kids. She just doesn't. She never planned to be a mom. She is making the best of it now, supposedly trying anyway, but it was not what she wanted.

And I'm not saying I'd be a great parent either, but I'm not the parent and she is, she has asked me for help in several ways - my talking to niece and financially - and that's the situation. We both want what is best for my niece. We don't have any other really responsible family members who love my niece. Grandparents love her, but have their own serious issues too long to get into here.

The difference between me and my sister - her mom - is she is the one who is supposed to be raising her and really does not want to, and so is sending her away to school which we (family members) all agree is the best for her situation.
I guess it will be a miracle of sorts, if this school helps her. It's a good chance, better than keeping her at home in a local school, but it's not near guaranteed to help. I wish there was a guarantee but part of having a kid is you can't be sure what you're going to get. Even if you do all the right things, you still can't be guaranteed of a good outcome. My sister is not doing all the right things, because she's not equipped to. I know why she is that way, due to how she was raised (partly in a different household than I was - partly in the same household - long story).

I'm hearing from confidants (outside the family) who have raised kids, that all I can do is the best I can and try to be positive that things will turn out ok. I have seen a lot of family members have serious issues, some still in their 50's still on drugs and one in jail, etc etc, and my sister and I both want her to not turn out like that. A lot of the problems we saw stemmed from how those family members were raised, so we are trying to prevent a problem before it happens with niece.

Maybe I'm overthinking it and there's nothing more I need to do. She will go to the school, I'll keep in touch, send a care package now and then, visit for her plays/school events, and try not to worry too much.
 
Yes I always misspell that word, for some reason.
It's a common mistake. Always funny to me. Glad you didn't take issue with me pointing it out. Hope it works out for the girl.
 
Whether there is more that can be done is really not relevant here, unless you are interested in taking this girl in and doing the parenting. Either now, or if she ends up having to drop out.

If that's not an option (and I'm not saying you should at all), then, nope, from a distance you can send money and care packages, but nothing else with any influence. Money doesn't have much power in this situation. If you can take her on, then great. Maybe offer to have her stay with you for summer breaks if the mother is that flighty Sounds like this girl would do well with some real hands on parenting. Maybe the school can be that surrogate.

And yeah... don't worry about the farting. She sounds immature, but 14 is a really crappy age for girls. Not a kid, dorky (no matter how you see her). Social skills will come out of necessity soon enough.
 
Well from everything you have written your niece would benefit from a screening for maybe ADHD or perhaps dyslexia...getting A's in public doesn't mean she doesn't have one or both of them or perhaps something else going on.

Unfortunately you have no power to make this happen. However an on the ball school could be an instigator for this if they see specific problems with your DN.
 
I guess I haven't been around kids much (other than when I was one long ago) enough to know if it's realistic of me to think she'll change into a productive adult from what she is now. I'm around kids for one of my volunteer jobs, but it's not the same as trying to give my sister requested advice/guidance/help with her kid. That volunteering has nothing to do with giving advice to kids or their parents.

If niece is making excuses on a lot of things and purposely passing gas then laughing when people say it's gross, is it possible this school will help her grow into a responsible adult? I don't mean perfect, just a reasonably (somewhat overall) respectful human being, not unappreciative of all her mom and other family has done for her.
Or, is she likely to have issues the school can't fix? Is there anything I can say or do to prevent her from going in to that new school, only to fail out or get kicked out?

Her mom and I are on the same page with many similar worries, and as far as both wanting her to be more responsible. Her mom totally agrees with almost all I said other than the part I don't bring up to her - which is it is my sister's own fault in a lot of ways.

I can't tell my sister it's her fault or it would start an argument and nothing good would come from it. My sister does not have the patience to deal with the day-to-day little things parents typically deal with raising kids. She just doesn't. She never planned to be a mom. She is making the best of it now, supposedly trying anyway, but it was not what she wanted.

And I'm not saying I'd be a great parent either, but I'm not the parent and she is, she has asked me for help in several ways - my talking to niece and financially - and that's the situation. We both want what is best for my niece. We don't have any other really responsible family members who love my niece. Grandparents love her, but have their own serious issues too long to get into here.

The difference between me and my sister - her mom - is she is the one who is supposed to be raising her and really does not want to, and so is sending her away to school which we (family members) all agree is the best for her situation.
I guess it will be a miracle of sorts, if this school helps her. It's a good chance, better than keeping her at home in a local school, but it's not near guaranteed to help. I wish there was a guarantee but part of having a kid is you can't be sure what you're going to get. Even if you do all the right things, you still can't be guaranteed of a good outcome. My sister is not doing all the right things, because she's not equipped to. I know why she is that way, due to how she was raised (partly in a different household than I was - partly in the same household - long story).

I'm hearing from confidants (outside the family) who have raised kids, that all I can do is the best I can and try to be positive that things will turn out ok. I have seen a lot of family members have serious issues, some still in their 50's still on drugs and one in jail, etc etc, and my sister and I both want her to not turn out like that. A lot of the problems we saw stemmed from how those family members were raised, so we are trying to prevent a problem before it happens with niece.

Maybe I'm overthinking it and there's nothing more I need to do. She will go to the school, I'll keep in touch, send a care package now and then, visit for her plays/school events, and try not to worry too much.

IMHO, at 14, it will be her peer group and the friends she chooses at this boarding school that will have a great impact along with the school itself and the requirements they may have for structured study, volunteering, social conscious type things, etc . Have either you or your sister looked into things she can join or participate in?
It does sound like this is the right thing to do given the situation. Other than guide make suggestions, stay in communication with her about her day or week and pray she falls in with a good group of people, there isn't a lot more you can do. She needs to know you and your sister are in touch with the school and are checking on her and "feel" your support. :)
 
DD's sixth grade teacher (retired for twenty years and now collecting a low-six figure pension) used to frequently tell her classes that trash collectors made more money than she did, so yeah, a lot of kids thought that was a good idea.

Well it seems good to be outside all day. Not a desk job.

Niece said she wants a job making a lot of money working with kids, helping them build confidence. She thinks being a psychiatrist is a good way to do that. I think she'd make a really good teacher. Or school counselor. She has volunteered in an after-school science program where she gave presentations to small groups of younger kids at a local museum. She was really good at it, I thought, when I went to visit her. The younger kids really seemed to admire and look up to her.

She is great at presenting things, which is part of what her mom does for one of her jobs (business -to- business sales job where she has to travel).

Since being a teacher does not pay much, she does not want to do that.

She said it would be a waste of money to go to private school and then not earn a lot as an adult. I disagree with her and I did tell her that. Money is not everything, if she has a stable job she enjoys, making a difference, and earning ok money. It's good to earn a lot of money but if you have a real passion for teaching or something else, and can earn a living, it can be better to do that over making a lot of money.

If she ends up becoming a teacher, I'd call that a huge success. She never wanted to be a garbage collector but if that was her dream I'd say go for it. I guess there are a lot of years before she has to decide.

My sister and I both want to tell her just don't turn out like your dad (deadbeat unemployed, usually broke) but I never say a negative word about him to her. My sister has made little negative comments about him. Family members have commented to me about him not paying child support and I've said yes I agree he should but I don't say much. I really should stay out of that so I do.

But we have cousins who are the same way, one stole from other family, had other issues, went to jail, is out now. Another in jail now for drug manufacture. We have a ton of relatives with serious issues, and then some other cousins who are doing great, very responsible. Two are college professors, both have doctorates, teaching at a really good university.

It could go either way with niece. Our family, including extended relatives, is all over the page with some being productive and others being destructive members of society.
Maybe it's partly luck of the draw, with kids, how they turn out.
 
I went to a four-year college prep boarding school, a very good one, and many of my fellow students were kids from rich families who didn't have time to take care of them. My experience was that the problem kids eventually washed out b/c they couldn't cut the academics or the rules and went somewhere else. The ones that could straighten things out, did, and they were fine. Not everyone got into Harvard, but hey....

There is a big difference between college prep and regular boarding schools. A regular boarding school will likely have more people in similar circumstances and be willing to try and work with your niece. College prep is about getting into good schools. We had to pass an English competency test to get into the Junior year. You don't pass, you don't move on. Some didn't.

A serious college prep school can be merciless. We had an honor code. If you broke it, cheat once you're out, no second chances, no refunds (unless you bought insurance). So sad, too bad. This school cost over $20K/year back in 1979! Now it's more than $50K/yr. and it still works that way. I had plenty of my classmates disappear during the years to another boarding school. It's not a place that tolerates rule-breakers because they take time and attention from the students who are really trying. Although you won't know how she'll turn out until she goes, you seem to have a suspicion that she'll be trouble, and that warrants more investigation into the school and it's policies.

Based on my boarding school experience, she doesn't sound like a good candidate for any college-prep boarding school that takes rules seriously. She might be fine in another school that is more accommodating. You should be able to find out from administrators, parents and alumni what kind of school she's in. I would definitely talk to someone with experience going there - a recent alumni, or parent perhaps? They will be honest with you. There's too much at stake.

One thing about boarding school is that there is nowhere to hide. These schools are usually much smaller than regular HS, and this can be good or bad - 'big fish in small pond' or the opposite. She may very well thrive because of the engagement level. As an example, I played football at my HS. I'd never make the team at public school - I was way too small!

You're a very nice man for doing this for your niece. I also have a niece in HS that is a world of trouble, but she's no worse than her father was at that age. It's a difficult age that kids will grow out of eventually. I hope yours can perform and gain your confidence. She has more to lose than she knows. Just don't be disappointed if all your efforts are for naught. She will live her own life regardless.

P.S If they offer tuition insurance, buy it!

Edit: You may want to talk to the Headmaster/Headmistress to find out what he/she expects of students. The HM is the one who is responsible for setting the level of expectations and discipline within the school. He/She is always very accessible, is held completely accountable for the school's results, and is concerned about every student in the school.
 
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OP--
It is good that your niece is excited about this opportunity. Her soon to be peers and the rules/supervision at school will either help guide her to change or not, it will be entirely her choices that she makes. At 14, kids are greatly influenced by those around them, so she may do very well away from her mom. She is also heading into a time of great growth and change in the next couple of years.
Continue to stay in contact with her, especially in the first several weeks/months at the new school environment.
Best of luck to all of you. Keep us informed in how she does!
 
I went to boarding school when I was 14. Not a college prep though. One thing is that they had supervised study but I really didn't study. I was just an immature kid. And no one made me study. So even though the study time is supervised, the kid studying isn't. You will need your own ways to keep on top of that, such as seeing weekly report cards or something such.

Still a great idea. Good luck.
 
It sounds like a great opportunity for your niece and so wonderful of you to help!
 
There is a Walmart just down the road from the nearest Costco. I will order something to pick up if convenient. I avoid shopping in the store.
 
Sounds as if what your niece needs is intensive family therapy. And possibly new parents.

I raised a great niece and nephew in my 20's and 30's, and they each have two kids. All four great niece and nephews went to the finest private schools because of the dismal condition of public schools in their large southern city.

Their private schools are $20-22K for each child per year. By the time all 4 graduate high school, my sister will have spent well over $1 million--before college. One 16 year old has requires 4 day per week private tutoring the last 10 years just to pass.

I had quite a few friends in college that went away for high school. One went to a prep school in Virginia because that's what sons of Mississippi Delta farmers do. Others went to military schools where they learned to smoke, drink, cuss and do drugs.

If you're going to do anything, put her into a local really good private school for one year. Then decide which direction her motivation is going. It sounds as if what she really needs is a good mentor to look after her--and to teach her some manners.

Right now, your niece is simply not prepared mentally or socially for the rigorous curriculum that any quality private school is going to throw at her. My first thought is I wonder if your niece has ever seen the inside of a church, but that's another issue?
 
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I only have this one perspective:

We have a nephew who at 13-14 was headed down the wrong path; attracted to the 'thug life' (pants on the ground, fake diamond earrings, real attitude, minor scrapes with the law). Family home life wasn't helping and DW and I were the 'bad rich people' somehow indirectly responsible for the world's ills.

At some point however he started getting away from his circle of friends and somehow started hanging out with the rich kids. He started to see how other people live and what another type of life is like; lucky enough to get out of the house and spend summers on Martha's Vineyard, skiing in Colorado etc. just by tagging along with his new buddies.

He straightened himself out, just graduated a good college (courtesy of his 'bad' aunt and uncle who footed most of the bill) and starts a great job next week downtown.

My point is that perhaps your niece needs a 'change of scenery'. Get out of a toxic home situation, new friends who may exert some positive peer pressure and get her on track.

Good luck!
 
Sounds as if what your niece needs is intensive family therapy. And possibly new parents.

I raised a great niece and nephew in my 20's and 30's, and they each have two kids. All four great niece and nephews went to the finest private schools because of the dismal condition of public schools in their large southern city.

Their private schools are $20-22K for each child per year. By the time all 4 graduate high school, my sister will have spent well over $1 million--before college. One 16 year old has requires 4 day per week private tutoring the last 10 years just to pass.

I had quite a few friends in college that went away for high school. One went to a prep school in Virginia because that's what sons of Mississippi Delta farmers do. Others went to military schools where they learned to smoke, drink, cuss and do drugs.

If you're going to do anything, put her into a local really good private school for one year. Then decide which direction her motivation is going. It sounds as if what she really needs is a good mentor to look after her--and to teach her some manners.

Right now, your niece is simply not prepared mentally or socially for the rigorous curriculum that any quality private school is going to throw at her. My first thought is I wonder if your niece has ever seen the inside of a church, but that's another issue?

Yes, I agree with about all you said.

It's funny you mentioned therapy. I have a friend I volunteer with who happens to be a child therapist (counselor). I told her about my niece a while back, and this situation. She mentioned possibly therapy as well and I brought it up to my sister who immediately said it is not needed.

At least her new school has therapy options (counselling) for both academics and personal issues, if she needs it (anything really serious they would not handle there - but I'm talking "typical" teenage things they would).

I wish we had put her in private school for 8th grade or earlier. My mom wanted to pay for her to attend private school earlier but my sister would not allow it and I think one reason was my sister's current husband thought it was elitist. Sister said to me that she did not think mom could afford it at the time, but that was not the case at all. Mom is not rich but she could have afforded it. And I would have helped. But mom and I did not press the issue as it's not our kid.

Niece's dad visits her maybe once a month and they all get along even though he rarely pays child support - he does not mind where she goes to school - he's indifferent with that for the most part.

Her husband still does not like the idea of her going to boarding school, but she made sure it was diverse and not "all white rich people" as she put it. It has a lot of international students, along with US boarding students, mixed in with local day students, which adds to the diversity. Some rich kids go there but not all rich like at other schools they visited.

He agreed to let her go to BS- partly because it would make life easier for him not having her there as often (for example, if he wants to watch a R rated movie he can, as he feels uncomfortable watching one if she's at home). He should not have a choice where she attends school, as it's not his child, and he has only known her a few years, IMHO. Ultimately it is my sister's decision over anyone else's, and she allows him to influence her child-rearing.

Part of the problem with niece's lack of responsibility is his poor influence, but that's another long story.

At least now she's getting to go. The public school is good for some kids - I'm not at all against public school - but it's not that good for my niece - due to many reasons I already mentioned.

Since she is entering 9th in the fall, we have all (family members who are helping) agreed it is best to try to keep her in the same school for the next 4 years of high school, in part so she will be with mostly the same kids through high school.

Of course we are hoping she does not get kicked out. Yes we will lose our money if she does - we are well aware - no refunds on what is a monthly payment plan that's started already.

My mom is thrilled it is a religious school, that requires chapel/church attendance regularly. She and her husband have taken her to their ultra-conservative Christian church 2-3x a month when she was younger, for many years, and my niece used to go along with it - but now makes fun of it being so strict. My sister is atheist but did take her to the local (very liberal) unitarian church a few times when she was younger, as they they had good friends there (one was her part time nanny). My niece knows (or at least used to know) how to act properly in church and does believe in God but is not religious. She will be required to take at least one Bible class at her new school. It is mainly Christian but has some (mostly international) students of other faiths (Muslim, Buddhist, etc) who attend.

It is not super strict as far as religious schools go, but way more strict than she is used to. Her school now does not allow prayer in school. The one she's going to requires it. Even though I'm not religious, I think the spiritual aspect will be good for her. My sister, despite being athiest, does not mind although the religious aspect was not important to her.

I am really hoping the peer pressure at her new school helps her behave, and become embarrassed if she passes gas in front of someone. It is funny on the surface, but not really.

When she made the comment about doing it in front of her new roommate, and said it might be ok once she's been there a month or two, I thought this is going to be a problem. And, I thought she'll have to learn to change because few roommates will want to put up with that.

She said she likes it quiet and all lights out when she goes to bed. So she's going to have to learn to deal with whoever she gets put with. If her roommate wants a night light - or likes music while she's getting ready for school - they will need to work that out and adjust. She also said she prefers not to have an international student! Well, the school policy is to put international students with a U.S. one for cultural growth. About 1/3 of the students boarding in her grade are international so she has a good chance of being put with one. I hope she gets one who speaks French - since she'll be taking that.

She is going to have to step up her level of responsibility, in so many ways. I honestly want to believe she can do it - but I'm not sure. Nor is my sister, and she's usually more positive thinking than I am. But we both have some doubts. My sister is saying she needs a B average to be worth it to stay there with the price we are all paying- but my sister is flexible and that's not set in stone.

I was helping her with French since she's taking it for the first time and I know it pretty well. I am not 100% fluent, but enough to help with beginner high school french. After several grammar lessons - all very basic - she still did not know how to spell "Bonjour". That will be about the first word they teach.

It's going to be hard for her I think, because they let you get away with so much in the school district she's used to - they really do give A's for effort. They'd mark her correct for trying to spell "bonjour" even if she missed a couple letters, in her public school where she is located.

The reason I don't want her in a private school near her house (and my sister did suggest that as an option) is she gets little supervision at home - so she's not likely to do all the homework assigned. My sister's gone half the time on work trips and her husband is not going to supervise niece's studying. If she's at boarding school they require study hall - supervised - and "micromanage" the kids so to speak - so she will be required to study.

That is my thought anyway, from all I read about the school.
I agree with you that she is not prepared now, but it is possible she can step up her game once she gets there- the choice is up to her. It will be a huge adjustment.
 
I went to boarding school when I was 14. Not a college prep though. One thing is that they had supervised study but I really didn't study. I was just an immature kid. And no one made me study. So even though the study time is supervised, the kid studying isn't. You will need your own ways to keep on top of that, such as seeing weekly report cards or something such.

Still a great idea. Good luck.

They post grades online for the parents, and my sister will share. I'm not sure how often they post them - but it's supposedly often. I am hoping they really do study, not goof off, in study hall - because she would goof off unless an adult was watching. Supposedly they are really watched. Will see.
 
Well from everything you have written your niece would benefit from a screening for maybe ADHD or perhaps dyslexia...getting A's in public doesn't mean she doesn't have one or both of them or perhaps something else going on.

Unfortunately you have no power to make this happen. However an on the ball school could be an instigator for this if they see specific problems with your DN.


Yes has been screened for both. Has dyscalculia which is like dyslexia only in math. She also has a spacial processing disorder, I forget the name. None of this is obvious from talking to her - only testing shows it. We had to pay $3000 for a private doctor evaluation to find all this out. The public school did not see an issue and had her pegged as "average" with all A's.
 
Whether there is more that can be done is really not relevant here, unless you are interested in taking this girl in and doing the parenting. Either now, or if she ends up having to drop out.

If that's not an option (and I'm not saying you should at all), then, nope, from a distance you can send money and care packages, but nothing else with any influence. Money doesn't have much power in this situation. If you can take her on, then great. Maybe offer to have her stay with you for summer breaks if the mother is that flighty Sounds like this girl would do well with some real hands on parenting. Maybe the school can be that surrogate.

And yeah... don't worry about the farting. She sounds immature, but 14 is a really crappy age for girls. Not a kid, dorky (no matter how you see her). Social skills will come out of necessity soon enough.

She is, oddly, not money motivated. She's not spoiled with materialistic things, either. She's got a math disorder which may be a part of why she does not value money - it involves math.

She is immature for her age - in my non-expert opinion. My sister and I both were wild at that age but into boys and things beyond what we should have then- niece at 14 is like we were maybe age 10 with her immaturity.

I do plan to send her care packages maybe candy or something she likes - but not money since she does not seem to care about it.
 
I went to a four-year college prep boarding school, a very good one, and many of my fellow students were kids from rich families who didn't have time to take care of them. My experience was that the problem kids eventually washed out b/c they couldn't cut the academics or the rules and went somewhere else. The ones that could straighten things out, did, and they were fine. Not everyone got into Harvard, but hey....

There is a big difference between college prep and regular boarding schools. A regular boarding school will likely have more people in similar circumstances and be willing to try and work with your niece. College prep is about getting into good schools. We had to pass an English competency test to get into the Junior year. You don't pass, you don't move on. Some didn't.

A serious college prep school can be merciless. We had an honor code. If you broke it, cheat once you're out, no second chances, no refunds (unless you bought insurance). So sad, too bad. This school cost over $20K/year back in 1979! Now it's more than $50K/yr. and it still works that way. I had plenty of my classmates disappear during the years to another boarding school. It's not a place that tolerates rule-breakers because they take time and attention from the students who are really trying. Although you won't know how she'll turn out until she goes, you seem to have a suspicion that she'll be trouble, and that warrants more investigation into the school and it's policies.

Based on my boarding school experience, she doesn't sound like a good candidate for any college-prep boarding school that takes rules seriously. She might be fine in another school that is more accommodating. You should be able to find out from administrators, parents and alumni what kind of school she's in. I would definitely talk to someone with experience going there - a recent alumni, or parent perhaps? They will be honest with you. There's too much at stake.

One thing about boarding school is that there is nowhere to hide. These schools are usually much smaller than regular HS, and this can be good or bad - 'big fish in small pond' or the opposite. She may very well thrive because of the engagement level. As an example, I played football at my HS. I'd never make the team at public school - I was way too small!

You're a very nice man for doing this for your niece. I also have a niece in HS that is a world of trouble, but she's no worse than her father was at that age. It's a difficult age that kids will grow out of eventually. I hope yours can perform and gain your confidence. She has more to lose than she knows. Just don't be disappointed if all your efforts are for naught. She will live her own life regardless.

P.S If they offer tuition insurance, buy it!

Edit: You may want to talk to the Headmaster/Headmistress to find out what he/she expects of students. The HM is the one who is responsible for setting the level of expectations and discipline within the school. He/She is always very accessible, is held completely accountable for the school's results, and is concerned about every student in the school.

Sounds like you went to a really great school.

Hers is good - yet not too competitive. I do not know the retention rate/how many get kicked out. 100% of graduates go on to 4 year colleges. The high school portion of the school has about a 60% acceptance rate (give or take, some websites say it has 50%, others say 70%).

It is not tiny, but is a lot smaller pond than her school now. She is used to getting no extra attention and being a part of the "average" crowd and not ever getting in trouble. She sees kids skipping and getting punished at her public school, and in comparison she's a good kid. Those "bad" kids would not even get into her private school. So the "standard" is going to be raised from what she's used to.

They do have random room searches and even sniffer dogs to be sure no drugs are brought on campus - very strict rules on that. I heard how prevalent drug use can be at some boarding schools and my sister and I were into drugs some (many decades ago - not at all now) when we were much younger. So we know enough we do not want her being around it, especially in h.s. It's prevalent in her local public school -many types of drugs there. She has no interest in drugs now but we worry about as she gets older with peer pressure and mom not at home. If she wants to experiment once or twice after college that's a little different (I'm not saying it's great but not as bad as if she were still in high school) but we don't want her around kids doing drugs in high school.

Hopefully the peer pressure will be such that studying and getting good grades is "cool". Grades are not a priority at all in her public school - other than the few kids in the gifted program which she's not in.

At her new school, they will offer a lot of personalized attention and help for any student who is struggling - but she has to stay motivated and want the help. Mild learning disabilities (which she has in math) are ok. Serious learning issues/learning disabilities are not allowed there. From what I can tell, it's set up for motivated either average or above- average students, not kids with too many issues.

They require average or above test scores on the SSAT to get in - and she barely got average in math. She was allowed to use a calculator and extra time due to her mild math disablity - or she would not have scored even that.

She scored well above average in the verbal/reading test sections, which was great.

It will be up to her to want to do well - they can only do so much for her, I suppose.

They have a lecture/class on organization skills and time management for all incoming 9th graders. She really needs that - maybe it will help.

I do plan to meet the headmaster and already made contacts with several administrators and a teacher there. A lady I work with had a couple contacts there, she said I might want to meet and get to know.

Learning to get along with a roommate will be a huge adjustment. Niece has been to summer camp and did well, but that's a lot shorter timeframe.

When she spent the night at the boarding school during the app. process, she learned a girl had just been kicked out for cheating. That should be a warning to her that they take rules seriously.
The rulebook she had to sign upon acceptance talks about all the ways to get demerits. They have a lot of rules - and she said she likes rules. She is very excited about getting to wear a uniform every day.

You are right though in all you said, she will live her life regardless. I am doing all I can and need to do at this point.

My sister has told her she needs to get good grades or will have to come back home and go to public school. Niece says she will but she has no idea how hard it is going to be.

I think she will do ok in some classes, and have a lot of trouble with others.
If she does not work hard to improve her study habits, she could flunk out.

It's not the strictest college-prep school - not like yours I don't think - but it's way more strict than she's used to now.
And yes it is over $50,000. We have 3 people paying and she got a partial scholarship based on her mom's income (after she talked them out of considering her husband's since he does not contribute). She also got a small merit scholarship added to that for her good verbal test scores.

It will be her choice. Step up and do what is needed to stay there, or not. Her life. As of now she is motivated to do well, so we are all hoping she does not get there and end up thinking/realizing it's too hard for her.
The teachers there will, from what I can tell, really try to help struggling students - if the students want help. But they won't force them if they aren't motivated.
 
I didn't read through all of these posts but wanted to offer a word of encouragement. My son was falling through the cracks of an expensive public school system- partly ADD and partly the aftermath of my marriage to his father going down in flames after years of my Ex being unemployed, mean, controlling and drunk. I ended up sending him to NY Military Academy for all of HS. It was an hour from home. He blossomed. The structure, the small classes, the diverse student body, the clear system of rewards for good behavior and consequences for bad behavior- he needed them all. I heard that they'd accepted some kids with learning disabilities that they really weren't equipped to deal with and the kids dropped out, so you'll want to make sure that your niece is learning to the best of her ability on the areas where she's weak.

DS took some time getting his act together in college because, of course, the structure ws gone, but we got him a good therapist who helped him get organized and manage his ADD (first with meds but later without) and he got his act together. He's now a claims adjuster and has a gift for negotiation and LOVES dealing with litigated claims. Who knew?

Your niece is blessed to have this option.
 
I didn't read through all of these posts but wanted to offer a word of encouragement. My son was falling through the cracks of an expensive public school system- partly ADD and partly the aftermath of my marriage to his father going down in flames after years of my Ex being unemployed, men, controlling and drunk. I ended up sending him to NY Military Academy for all of HS. It was an hour from home. He blossomed. The structure, the small classes, the diverse student body, the clear system of rewards for good behavior and consequences for bad behavior- he needed them all. I heard that they'd accepted some kids with learning disabilities that they really weren't equipped to deal with and the kids dropped out, so you'll want to make sure that your niece is learning to the best of her ability on the areas where she's weak.

DS took some time getting his act together in college because, of course, the structure ws gone, but we got him a good therapist who helped him get organized and manage his ADD (first with meds but later without) and he got his act together. He's now a claims adjuster and has a gift for negotiation and LOVES dealing with litigated claims. Who knew?

Your niece is blessed to have this option.

Thanks for the encouragement. That's a great story about your son.

The school offers an "elective" they can sign up for - of extra math or extra English class help. She is good at English, but knows she will need the math, so signed up for the extra math already. That means at least 5-6 hrs extra per week in math help.

She will be taking Algebra I which is the lowest math they have for 9th grade students there. Then she is required to have 4 full years of math (Algebra II, geometry and another math) to graduate. So they do offer the help for students with what they consider mild learning disabilities like she has - even though the school is not primarily set up for kids with disabilities. If they have major issues/learning disabilities, they can't go there, as the school is not equipped for it.

The kids who go there are supposed to be all average or above average just to get in. Also they had to pass an interview - quite a process - both parent and child alone and together. Thankfully she is good at interviews as is her mom, who prepped her on what to expect and practiced mock interview questions before they went in. Her mom says she aced the interview and I believe it.

She is well above average in English/writing ability, at least. They saw all her test results, including doctor educational evaluation, and decided she was not bad off enough to where she could not do the work - supposedly they don't admit them if they aren't capable.

So it sounds good. She defiantly has some social skills to learn. She's personable and makes friends easily now, at least.

She still has to decide - when it gets tough - that she will keep going, not give up - I told her she must have grit and explained what it meant. Whether she listened I can't tell. Sometimes she listens more than I realize, and other times what I say goes in one ear and out the other.

My sister would not agree to her going to military school although I think it would be a great idea! But this one should be ok - it does have a lot of structure and rules. Not as strict as military school of course.

My sister is on the fence about whether it is worth it or not - and says if she does not see improvement and good grades (around B or higher average) she will pull her out. My sister is flexible on these "rules" she has set, but if niece does too bad she will put her back in public school which in her case would not be good.

I am optimistic it will work out but at the same time have doubts. Will know after she starts in about a month, and see positive results.
 
OP--
It is good that your niece is excited about this opportunity. Her soon to be peers and the rules/supervision at school will either help guide her to change or not, it will be entirely her choices that she makes. At 14, kids are greatly influenced by those around them, so she may do very well away from her mom. She is also heading into a time of great growth and change in the next couple of years.
Continue to stay in contact with her, especially in the first several weeks/months at the new school environment.
Best of luck to all of you. Keep us informed in how she does!

Yes, all true. She starts school in a month and I have a feeling we will know within a few days or weeks after that if she is doing well or not. At least, we will have an idea if it is going well for her or not. There are a lot of family members who love her and will visit several times a year for plays, choir productions, etc, and she will be home often for school breaks. She will have a cell phone she's allowed to use (only limited times during the day). So she will stay in contact.
 
I only have this one perspective:

We have a nephew who at 13-14 was headed down the wrong path; attracted to the 'thug life' (pants on the ground, fake diamond earrings, real attitude, minor scrapes with the law). Family home life wasn't helping and DW and I were the 'bad rich people' somehow indirectly responsible for the world's ills.

At some point however he started getting away from his circle of friends and somehow started hanging out with the rich kids. He started to see how other people live and what another type of life is like; lucky enough to get out of the house and spend summers on Martha's Vineyard, skiing in Colorado etc. just by tagging along with his new buddies.

He straightened himself out, just graduated a good college (courtesy of his 'bad' aunt and uncle who footed most of the bill) and starts a great job next week downtown.

My point is that perhaps your niece needs a 'change of scenery'. Get out of a toxic home situation, new friends who may exert some positive peer pressure and get her on track.

Good luck!

The "change of scenery" was my thought exactly, with her home environment vs the school's. She even said she might start using her middle name to get a "fresh start". She said she wants a totally new start and to get away. Even though, she loves her parents and does pretty much whatever my sister says - she's not rebellious - but she still made the comment she wanted to get away. I see that as a really good sign. If things get tough at school for her, maybe she will work harder so she can stay there and not have to move back home again.

I know my sister has made some negative comments about me, that stem from issues we had as kids (that I'm over but she's not fully over yet). I'm glad that at least we get along ok. When we were kids our own aunts were not allowed to see us due to disagreements they had with their brother (our father). So we missed out on having 2 very nice aunts we could have had, as kids. I later found out the truth. It had nothing to do with us. They fought over various issues they had and we kids lost out on having aunts.

That is why I try very hard to ignore the negative comments, as it is not worth losing my niece. My sister has gotten better not making many comments lately - she used to do it more often.

I do plan to help with niece's college, but only if she is serious about going and doing the work. I think she will be but it's too soon to know for sure. I have not made any promises, and as of now niece thinks she is on her own paying for her college.

What else am I going to do with my money, is how I think of it. I worked hard and went through a ton of stress to get it. I'd rather give it to her for education than anywhere else. But only if it is beneficial to her. I will not be giving her any once she's out of school. I'm financially independent but not rich. At the rate I'm going, with most invested in index funds, after a few years I will have more than I could ever need. I live frugally (other than rarely splurge on a fancy trip). I still plan to work full time for a few years - part of my job is relatively easy now from what it once was - and I telecommute from home almost every workday - so there's no point in not working at least part time with old clients I've built up business with over the years.

Yes, she needs new buddies, new friends. She does not have a ton of friends now but she is not a loner either. But she could use some new friends.
That will be one of the main reason she works hard to stay there - she will want to stay with her new friends - so will study for decent grades.
 
DD's sixth grade teacher (retired for twenty years and now collecting a low-six figure pension) used to frequently tell her classes that trash collectors made more money than she did, so yeah, a lot of kids thought that was a good idea.

It paid better than my Dads job, had vacation pay and health insurance.
 
My sister would not agree to her going to military school although I think it would be a great idea! But this one should be ok - it does have a lot of structure and rules. Not as strict as military school of course.

When DS went to NYMA it was only about 10% female. (They've now been bought by a group of Chinese investors and I think it's mostly a place for students to come from China for a US-based education, so it's all changed since DS went there.) While I think it was very good for young women to attain rank, be in charge of a "company" and issue orders, I might have my misgivings about sending a daughter there with all those adolescent males loose.:D Your niece is probably better off at a civilian school with a more even mix unless she has plans to get into one of the service academies.

It sounds like you're able to do this without endangering your own retirement. I know I was fretting about what it would do to my ability to save for retirement and the guy I was dating (who became my second DH and turned out to be a spectacular stepfather) said, "How will you feel if you don't do this, he never finds his way, and you wonder if you could have done more for him?" DH was a very wise man. And I'm doing just fine in retirement.
 
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