The next generation coming of age - We are all doomed !!

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I should have clarified, I am talking other countries.... Europe, FORMER USSR, etc. Karl Marx comes to mind.
And for me, the Japanese ascendancy came to mind.

It's just a matter of whether you want to go looking for examples of failure or examples of success. Both exist in sufficient numbers that trying to say anything categorical is without merit. If anything, the Millennials are much more similar to the collaborative nature of post-war WWII than to communists or socialists.
 
I suspect though that you assume that truth is what you agree with.

You can suspect anything you like. But that's not what I said, nor what I assume.
 
I don’t agree with marko but that opinion is certainly not “nonsense”.

These generational rants bring out some harsh views. We can disagree without being disagreeable.

We can agree to disagree that "everyone feeling good about a wrong direction is better than conflict" makes any sense.

And these rants are nonsense too. Generations are not of one mind. Clearly my generation was and is not all the same. Other generations are not hiveminds. Lets try and give individuals some credit. We can agree to disagree on that as well.
 
And what's happened that is so great with that Japanese leadership since they figured out how to make an economical car?
So what you're implying is that only a permanent success is a success. As such, nothing will ever be a success. Congratulations. You've diverted the thread of into complete irrelevance.

And if the only way to defend the degrading characterization of millennials is to pursue the irrelevance of everything, then perhaps the categorical, degrading characterization of millennials actually had no merit.

I think there is naturally a lot of fear on the part of older generations as younger generations come to the fore and become more of the drivers of society. It's always been that way. There is little doubt that many of our parents and grandparents made comparably baseless statements about us when we became the movers and shakers of society.
 
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If a bunch of millennials came along, they would not be impressed with the old fogies arguing here.
 
Me. I'll say it's a bad thing if nobody else will. That statement is nonsense.

Some things aren't important and perhaps "feeling good" is most important.
But in the real world, many things are important enough to need a real answer rather than a "feel good" answer.

For example, we are discussing this in the context of an Early Retirement forum. When someone talks about retiring early using a financially unsound approach, I think it's far better to point out the problems and risks, rather than make the OP feel good.

I believe in the truth rather than just going along with the hive mind whenever the truth is important. And I value expertise - I don't think everyone's answer counts the same. Some folks (and clearly some folks in this forum) offer answers but simply don't know what they are talking about - sorry if that offends some.

If you prefer to wear orange and it makes you look foolish, I might just say "that's nice". But if you want to invest your life savings in bitcoin in hopes of retiring next year, I'd like to think intelligent people would point out the risks involved. And I'd like to think intelligent people would prefer an honest answer.
Uhhhhh, joe..... That part of my comment was intended as sarcasm .

I said: "but it seems that everyone feeling good about a wrong direction is better than conflict" my follow-on of "who's to say that's a bad thing as we go forward." was intended to mock the 'feel good' first part. Sometimes I'm too subtle; sometimes I'm just not clear; sometimes I just word it poorly.

I do, however feel that buu's original comment provided some insight to the newer generation's mindset.
 
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Old enough for AARP now, but I gave up changing my own oil at an early age.

Since immediately after the old filter broke free my arm would rotate enough to make contact with the exhaust manifold. :)

I do little more than swap parts nowadays...looks like I need to replace a few of the sink valves again.
 
This is very insightful. It explains a lot of the disconnects, for me anyway.

Of course, valuing all contributions equally can get in the way of defining a proper direction, but it seems that everyone feeling good about a wrong direction is better than conflict; who's to say that's a bad thing as we go forward. (Might this explain the "leadership gap" at FB?)
I remember old Tom Watson Senior saying he surrounded himself with scratchy executives who were capable and unafraid to disagree with him. He had a strong enough ego to listen to them and use that input to make decisions. I think we are seeing the effects of consensus management in IBMs result now.

I thought Sandberg was brought in to ground the FB management?
 
I said: "but it seems that everyone feeling good about a wrong direction is better than conflict" my follow-on of "who's to say that's a bad thing as we go forward." was intended to mock the 'feel good' first part. Sometimes I'm too subtle; sometimes I'm just not clear; sometimes I just word it poorly.

I do, however feel that buu's original comment provided some insight to the newer generation's mindset.
Thanks, and of course my comment wasn't about anyone, "feeling good." His saying so was just an attempt to distract attention away from a point he didn't like but for which he didn't have a legitimate rebuttal. Let's not reward such an attempt by losing sight of the point:

Millennials are different than prior generations in several ways, as we've been noting, but the most notable differences are actually a set of character traits that are more prevalent in that generation than in previous generations, including their penchant for collaboration and cooperation, stemming from their choice to live hyperconnected lives.
 
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The generation excels with regard to collaboration and cooperation, not "groupthink".

Groupthink = the practice of thinking or making decisions as a group in a way that discourages creativity or individual responsibility

Collaboration = working with someone to produce or create something
Cooperation = working together to the same end
 
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Older generation complaining about the younger generation - where have I heard that before?

I would bet that the younger generation does better than us overall. That's how mankind/personkind progresses.

absolutely------- been being complained about since Adam and Eve
 
Spent the last 14 years of my worklife at a local hardware.

Probably 1/2 of the 30 or so employees were millennials. Mostly working 20 hours or so as the owners were very willing to work around school schedules, 2 jobs etc. Turnover was pretty high as these young adults were in that 1st major transition period of their lives. So I met a large number during this time.

The overwhelming number of the millennial workforce at this hardware, had an amazing, refreshing perspective on life. I hope we don't suck the enthusiasm from them.

I look forward to the millennials becoming the leaders of our country.
 
I started adding to what I wrote above, and I realized that the addendum was getting so long that I should just post a separate post rather than adding onto the earlier post.

I worry how the prospect that the next generation has strengths we don't have seems to be so fearsome to some that they find it necessary to try to cast the reality in some false way, as if actually admitting the truth would be to troubling. I think it would be useful for folks working so hard to try to take what I'm writing and twist it into something else to spend a little time learning about the matter rather than relying on their own personal gut-feel. One article about this came from UNC in 2012: "Maximizing Millennials in the Workplace" by Brack and Kelly.
Millennials are continuous learners, team players, collaborators, diverse, optimistic, achievement-oriented, socially conscious and highly educated.
The article characterizes our generation and the Gen Xers as "cowboys," and cites Gartner Research's conclusion that Baby Boomers and Gen Xers have a, "generally inward-looking perspective as compared to Millennials". The article also cites research by Rikleen that makes clear that older generations disproportionately value money, rather than meaning and accomplishment in work.

This is a gold mine for industry: Industry has been struggling for half a century to try to get these "cowboys" to fit into the models of teamwork forged out of the industrial revolution that are the lynch pins of modern business. And here comes a whole generation of "collaborators" ready-made for the way business works most efficiently, custom-crafted to serve a common mission rather than fixated on their own priorities. No wonder industry is casting us oldsters aside: We're not only ridiculously more expensive, but we work against the operational models that serve the objectives of business best.
 
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Damn Hippies and their Rock n Roll music! We're DOOMED!
oops wrong generation...
Damn Flappers with their Jazz music and automobiles! We're DOOMED!

Read something interesting the other day. The Millennials are the first generation to not have concerning levels of lead in their blood during their developmental years in generations. My generation grew up with a serious brain damaging poison as the norm. So maybe theyre the norm and my generaton is they wacky one.
 
Damn Hippies and their Rock n Roll music! We're DOOMED!
oops, wrong generation...
Damn Flappers with their Jazz music and automobiles! We're DOOMED!

Read something interesting the other day. The Millennials are the first generation to not have concerning levels of lead in their blood during their developmental years in generations. My generation grew up with a serious brain-damaging poison as the norm. So maybe they're the norm and my generation is the wacky one.

My kids (Millenials) would agree, at least in my case (older Gen X'er) :)
 
Wow, my OP was somewhat laced with my usual sarcasm. A lot of serious discussion has erupted from the thread.

Along with people realizing the non high end automobiles do not have a low oil level Waring indicator, rather "your engine is being destroyed" indicator as most cars have.
 
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Sarcasm is really hard to tell from just reading. I went back and re-read your OP, and I still don't see anything that really indicates sarcasm.
 
Incidentally, there are few ways to express sarcasm online. The most common that I've seen is ending a comment like this:

/sarc
 
As encouraging as this new generation is, I do find their sense of entitlement annoying. I had the benefit of interviewing the first batch of millennials before I left my work life.

One informed me that she "definitely" required a door on her office instead of a cube (sorry, maybe in 10 years). Another wondered why we did not allow alcohol in the offices "for, you know, loosening up after a long day". A third entry level interviewee announced that standing the in the cafeteria line with the 'scrubs from the factory floor' would be a non-starter.

Those we did hire had a hard time grasping that doing a good job is what they were getting paid for and, sadly did not merit a special party--or worse: a promotion-- to celebrate a completion of a fairly mundane project.

Not knocking them, but it did illustrate the differences in expectations for a new generation.
 
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One trick is to tell 'em stories that don't go anywhere - like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Give me five bees for a quarter, you'd say.

Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
 
As encouraging as this new generation is, I do find their sense of entitlement annoying. I had the benefit of interviewing the first batch of millennials before I left my work life. One informed me that she "definitely" required a door on her office instead of a cube (sorry, maybe in 10 years). Another wondered why we did not allow alcohol in the offices "for, you know, loosening up after a long day".
There are surely some bad eggs in any bunch, but I think it would be worth betting on whether either of these Millennials fall into that category. To understand why, we old people have to open our minds a bit and set aside our preconceived prejudicial assumptions against the generation. We have to see these examples through the lens of the unique characteristics of the generation. Remember: The generation isn't about money; it's about (among other things) working together to achieve a common goal.

We Baby Boomers go home and have our drink with our spouse. The GenXers perhaps go to the local bar where they can drink with friends. That Millennial was saying that s/he would appreciate kicking back with co-workers, forging stronger bonds of community within the work-group through sharing a social drink, and perhaps even letting some out-of-the-box ideas related to achieving the mission of the organization come out of these more relaxed working/not-working activities. Your characterization of it makes it seem to me that you missed an opportunity to improve your organization for the long-term.

Both the alcohol-in-the-office candidate and the office-with-a-door candidate are presenting another common trait of Millennials: Unlike we Boomers, who see nothing wrong with wringing every last bit of life out of ourselves and the people who work for us, in the interest of furthering the profit$ of the business, Millennials understand clearly the value of work-life balance (perhaps even because they've seen how badly we've lived our lives). The employers that acknowledge work-life balance garner the most talented staff. Those that seek to perpetuate that "wringing every last bit of life out of ourselves and the people who work for us" modus operandi of the past are likely digging their organization's grave.

Incidentally, along the same lines, if we ever see the trend toward less and less seat pitch and seat width on aircraft slow down or stop (or [gasp] perhaps even get reversed), we can thank the Millenials for that.

Those we did hire had a hard time grasping that doing a good job is what they were getting paid for and, sadly did not merit a special party--or worse: a promotion-- to celebrate a completion of a fairly mundane project.
Or perhaps its was the managers at your company who had a "hard time grasping" the actual value and importance of celebrating jobs-well-done, and that it should be, and perhaps always should have been, a routine part of their responsibilities.

The article I mentioned earlier would be a good read for you (UPDATED: well, a good read for people who are still working and still managing the work of others in an organization). It's very instructive for managers who have no clue how to be an employer in an age when the entry-level and younger employees are invariably going to be Millennials.
 
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One trick is to tell 'em stories that don't go anywhere - like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Give me five bees for a quarter, you'd say.

Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...

:LOL: Oh, I've heard many variations of that tale....(all the while internally shrieking "Get to the ***** POINT!")
 
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