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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give
Perhaps and Admin could change it?
Yep. Send a PM to one of the mods requesting a new name.
Perhaps and Admin could change it?
Yep. Send a PM to one of the mods requesting a new name.
Suggestion:
"The poster formally known as lucky sperm club"??
Yes, the (negative) savings rate is well documented and quite sad. I seem to recall in an article I read recently that it was actually positive about 10 years ago during the last housing crisis. People were scared (and perhaps got out of a lousy upside down mortgage by just walking away) and actually saved more than they spent!!!
But the bad times ended, good times came back, and we are back to negative savings...
It seems as though all posts (that aren't about our brethren to the north) presumes that "investing is good". Over long periods, it has, of course, been good. But what if you were taught or otherwise have come to think that you might put that money somewhere and when it comes out, through all of those crazy rules, and all of those years of compounded inflation, it won't even buy as much as if you'd simply enjoy the utility of the money straight from your paycheck.
That's what most of my former co-workers told me. It never seemed to occur to them to reduce their living expenses, and I never suggested it knowing what their response might be. Most couldn't imagine 'having less,' felt they were entitled to what they had, and more. Most of them made less than I did, yet they had nicer homes, cars and more/newer toys than DW and I. We make our choices, and live with the outcomes?
It is a hard truth that we humans are largely the product of our own decisions. But when I encounter articles about people not preparing for retirement, it would be hypocritical to find fault since I was just like them for so long. All I can do is hope that those folks get what they need, whether it's inspiration, a bit of good luck, a kick in the butt or a helping hand, to put themselves in a better spot.
In the most recent trip to Canada, I spent more time at museums in Ottawa, and the Halifax Citadel, and paid more attention to the exhibits, and actually read the narratives (a sure sign of getting older). It appears the Canadians still recollect about the American Invasion of Canada 200 years ago. It worried them so much that they built and rebuilt the Halifax Citadel a few times, each time reinforcing it and making it a better fortress, preparing for an invasion force that fortunately never came.
Or it may just be that Canada has not had many wars on its land, so there are only a few events that they can talk about, and it is not because they still hold a grudge.
I did not go through high school here to know if this invasion is taught in school. One day, I will remember to ask my children.
I did notice that. But there is more to it than the percentage of retirees in the population. Perhaps the retirees with money have all gone south to Florida?The main reason I posted that news article was to point out what I highlighted at the end...
I really think there are a lot of people who struggle with making enough money to meet basic expenses - no room to cut and save. I wasn't talking about the folks living high on the hog who can reduce expenses.That's what most of my former co-workers told me. It never seemed to occur to them to reduce their living expenses, and I never suggested it knowing what their response might be. Most couldn't imagine 'having less,' felt they were entitled to what they had, and more. Most of them made less than I did, yet they had nicer homes, cars and more/newer toys than DW and I. We make our choices, and live with the outcomes?
I had access to the contribution data on all our employees, about 2/3rds didn't participate in our 401k at all, and very few contributed 10% or more. And too many took out "loans" on their 401k's.
An alternative way to look at it is that their living expenses have grown to match what they make. This is nothing new. Some people do not have a grasp on the "saving" concept.
Until they ran into Gen. Jackson in New Orleans.........The War of 1812 isn't emphasized much in the American History curriculum, mostly because we got our ass kicked by the Brits.
The War of 1812 isn't emphasized much in the American History curriculum, mostly because we got our ass kicked by the Brits.
That burning, however, was in direct response to the US burning of the Port of Dover and, less directly, of the government buildings in York. So we can blame it on the Canadians, maybe?
I'm pretty sure it's already means tested.
I'm pretty sure it's already means tested.
I know a few people who have little or no savings as they are relying on a govt. COLA pension for retirement. 60% or 70% is easily doable for many people if the mortgage is paid off, so they've chosen to enjoy their money now instead of later.
Until they ran into Gen. Jackson in New Orleans.........
I was not talking about folks living high on the hog, no I thought I was agreeing with you in my earlier post FWIW.That's what most of my former co-workers told me. It never seemed to occur to them to reduce their living expenses, and I never suggested it knowing what their response might be. Most couldn't imagine 'having less,' felt they were entitled to what they had, and more. Most of them made less than I did, yet they had nicer homes, cars and more/newer toys than DW and I. We make our choices, and live with the outcomes?
I had access to the contribution data on all our employees, about 2/3rds didn't participate in our 401k at all, and very few contributed 10% or more. And too many took out "loans" on their 401k's.I really think there are a lot of people who struggle with making enough money to meet basic expenses - no room to cut and save. I wasn't talking about the folks living high on the hog who can reduce expenses.
...But I've known a lot of people of various means who simply made stupid choices, people I worked with for 18 years. I saw the cars they drove every day, I heard about their lavish vacations, I saw many of their homes, and I heard about the steady stream of toys they bought all the time. Some of them were mid and upper level folks in the org who constantly complained they 'weren't making enough to live.' Yet there were others at the same salary levels and less in the same organization, who made ends meet and steadily accumulated in their 401k's year after year. I was the GM, so I knew everyone's salary and their 401k balances.
I didn't think you were agreeing with me because you immediately mentioned your co-workers who clearly could save but didn't.I was not talking about folks living high on the hog, no I thought I was agreeing with you in my earlier post FWIW.
Certainly there are many who struggle financially through little or no fault of their own.
But I've known a lot of people of various means who simply made stupid choices, people I worked with for 18 years. I saw the cars they drove every day, I heard about their lavish vacations, I saw many of their homes, and I heard about the steady stream of toys they bought all the time. Some of them were mid and upper level folks in the org who constantly complained they 'weren't making enough to live.' Yet there were others at the same salary levels and less in the same organization, who made ends meet and steadily accumulated in their 401k's year after year. I was the GM, so I knew everyone's salary and their 401k balances.
It's funny, but all the Canadians I know think Canadians marched into the US and burnt down the White House. When I tell them it was the British who came in from Canada they don't believe it.
I learned yesterday from two people that they didn't want to start a retirement account because they didn't want to lock up their money so early in their life. "Oh, I couldn't get at it if I needed to."
They did not know that if they contributed to a Roth IRA that the contributions could be withdrawn without penalty and without taxes at any time. That's an advantage of a Roth IRA over a 401(k).
I think most historians call it a draw. But it sure seems like a huge lost opportunity for the US not to have scooped up Canada. It was really there for the taking. Only a few thousand British regulars, local militias, and most importantly, native allies. In the end, it was the native "Indians" that ended up losing the most.