What's with the moving to Florida thing??

As a long time resident of Florida I have found that most who move down from the North do not survive. The first day the temperature reaches 95 and the humidity is 95 and it stays that way from May to September - usually will take the new visitors by surprise. Then add to that the first hurricane and they are moving back up North.


I live Sun City Center which is a retirement community in the Tampa area. All most everyone here has come from the northern USA. In the last 8 years living none of my neighbors have moved due to the weather and not any of my community garden friends either. (I admit that I don't see many people working in their garden either. I am out there 2 or 3 hours every day.)


People do move away because of health problems and many in my neighborhood have passed away.
 
As a long time resident of Florida I have found that most who move down from the North do not survive. The first day the temperature reaches 95 and the humidity is 95 and it stays that way from May to September - usually will take the new visitors by surprise. Then add to that the first hurricane and they are moving back up North.

OTOH, I see based on the literal interpretation of the bolded sentence above, this is basically 100% true!:LOL: They don't call it "God's waiting room" for nuthin'!
 
I grew up in Wisconsin so I know what cold is. My wife grew up in Malaysia so she knows what hot and humid is. After marriage, we have lived in Texas, Colorado, Illinois, South Caroline, southern Argentina, and Gabon (west Africa). When it came time to retire in 2011, my wife needed to be back in a warmer climate so we moved from South Carolina to the Tampa area. Now we spend winters in Malaysian and Thailand for 5 months and we are even happier with the weather there. We are super snowbirds where even Florida is too cold in the winter.
That's amazing, and really interesting. "Super snowbird" doesn't fit - actually, I think you're in a category where the word snow just doesn't apply. :) My DW grew up in the western part of Venezuela which is just as hot as Thailand, she often feels the same as your DW about the Florida winter.
 
As a long time resident of Florida I have found that most who move down from the North do not survive. The first day the temperature reaches 95 and the humidity is 95 and it stays that way from May to September - usually will take the new visitors by surprise. Then add to that the first hurricane and they are moving back up North.

Probably true for some, but not for others.
Tomorrow is 2 years for us coming from the North.
No chance on ever moving back up there. We love the heat and are outside every day irrespective of the sometimes 110 degrees heat index.:dance:
 
After following this thread, I had to weigh in.
Gov. Andrew “Son of Mario” Cuomo, when asked why so many people were fleeing NYS a coupla years ago, said it was because of the weather.

Nonsense.

DW and I lived in western NY for our entire working careers. And loved it there. Sure, parts of every winter sucked, but we traded those few weeks for glorious summers, autumns and even the occasional cooperative Spring. But the weather never has been the real reason we’re all fleeing.

It’s the State of New York itself, the oppressive tax burden it lays on every property owner, and the little anyone sees in return except for ever-encroaching state control of all that matters.

I ER’d class of 2001 - now 18 years in & never looked back.

We stayed in NY after retiring solely due to caregiving responsibilities. When those ended, we joined the caravan to FL. But we left for (almost) purely financial reasons, as we gave up decades of friendships & contacts in an incredibly beautiful corner of the U.S. We loved it in WNY. And would still be there if it made sense.

Now two full years into being legal FL residents, we have seen an effective 36% increase in spendable income directly attributable to lower property taxes, no FL income tax (thanks, tourists & snowbirds), lower utility costs, comparable costs of living, & changes in our own spending habits. YMMV, but we’re shocked by the changes in cash flow & the need to look to our portfolio for support.

We’re not humping for the Sunshine State Chamber of Commerce. Florida in the summer is as hot/humid as WNY was cold/snowy. Both are barely tolerable, but ya can always put more clothes ON; at some point propriety stops the shedding of clothes.

It’s the taxes, Andy. It always has been. And all that the Peoples’ Republic of Noo Yawk has become. And any other try at explaining the continuing NY-FL exodus is simply wrong.

Y’all come down, ya heah? But this thread is “interesting”...


I live in Minnesota (another high tax state) --- You get what you pay for and Florida is subsidized by the tourist industry.


With that said, Taxes would not even make my top 10 list for moving... Maybe that's because I can afford it... Not sure of your financial situation. But I am guessing that you don't speak for the majority of people that re-located to Florida.
 
I grew up in Wisconsin so I know what cold is. My wife grew up in Malaysia so she knows what hot and humid is. After marriage, we have lived in Texas, Colorado, Illinois, South Caroline, southern Argentina, and Gabon (west Africa). When it came time to retire in 2011, my wife needed to be back in a warmer climate so we moved from South Carolina to the Tampa area. Now we spend winters in Malaysian and Thailand for 5 months and we are even happier with the weather there. We are super snowbirds where even Florida is too cold in the winter.

I do similar. Moved from the rainy Pacific Northwest to Tucson a couple of years ago as I love to bike and hike. While I was in the PNW I got in the habit of going to SE Asia in winter to escape the cold and gray. Still do it now even in AZ as it gets chilly here in the desert in winter (3000' elev and clear skies).

So I rent my home to snowbirds while I travel around SE Asia. The rental pays for my property taxes and all my travel for 4 months. Same folks rent each year and no issues, works out great for both of us. It does get hot here mid summer so I jump on the motorcycle and head north for camping and to visit friends from time to time.
 
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We decided to stay in New Hampshire.
Just invested in an awesome house that we should be able to grow old in.
No sales or income tax.
So no Maine? Good for you.

Of course the property taxes in NH are the thing.
 
I can deal much better with cold than heat. So between Florida and Wisconsin I would choose Wisconsin. Thankfully we are in a mild 4 seasons on the West coast.

I can no longer get warm in winter. I have taken to sitting on a heating pad in the winter. It is impossible to go for a walk when there is ice on the ground. Sure, I do Yak Tracs but still have trouble staying upright. It gets worse the older you get.

I think the best of both worlds is to be a Winter Texan! Isn't that a welcoming connotation?
 
Half backs. Those that moved to Florida from up North, got shocked by how much hurricane insurance costs, moved back to North Carolina or Tennessee.

I live in Florida now. When I retire it will not be here.
 
Florida legislators need to consider a border wall. Georgia and Alabama should pay for it.
An application process will ensure a consistent flow of new residents.

Most current Florida residents would consider signing a petition for this.

Oh....Florida is part of the USA.

Nevermind…….
 
As a long time resident of Florida I have found that most who move down from the North do not survive. The first day the temperature reaches 95 and the humidity is 95 and it stays that way from May to September - usually will take the new visitors by surprise. Then add to that the first hurricane and they are moving back up North.

We may be talking about two different profiles.

There are those (fewer IMO) who come down to live 12 months a year. Then there are a larger group (again IMO) who snowbird.

My family has been snowbirding since the 1940's with no serious complaints but I honestly can't imagine spending July and August down there. If you have to spend 4 or 5 months a year holed up indoors with the A/C blasting, what's the point? It's just 'winter' in reverse!

I have heard that many who come to live permanently tend to stay a year or two and go back home but--anecdotally--it seemed more to be about family issues more than the heat.

Oddly, we do have neighbors who 'sunbird' from South America. They don't come in the winter because it's too cold--they come during the summer when it's steamy...as such we seldom see them.
 
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I worked so I could enjoy NJ in the summer and FL in the winter. We follow the sun and don't worry about slipping on the ice unless we've dropped a drink :=)
 
We may be talking about two different profiles.

There are those (fewer IMO) who come down to live 12 months a year. Then there are a larger group (again IMO) who snowbird.

My family has been snowbirding since the 1940's with no serious complaints but I honestly can't imagine spending July and August down there. If you have to spend 4 or 5 months a year holed up indoors with the A/C blasting, what's the point? It's just 'winter' in reverse!

I have heard that many who come to live permanently tend to stay a year or two and go back home but--anecdotally--it seemed more to be about family issues more than the heat.

Oddly, we do have neighbors who 'sunbird' from South America. They don't come in the winter because it's too cold--they come during the summer when it's steamy...as such we seldom see them.

Been to Legoland and the Tampa Zoo this week with DGF granddaughters. The temps were 91 and humid.
Many families were there each day sweating it out and enjoying themselves.

Not all of us hole up 4 months a year in the A/C.
 
I moved to FL 7 yrs ago. I never could get warm during those long Chicago winters. Used to drink hot tea all day just to keep my hands warm! I love it here. Yes, the summers are very hot and humid. But so is Illinois. And at least down here there is always a breeze, everything is green (because summer is the rainy season) and the sunsets are exquisite. Oh and did I mention how much us year-rounders love it when the tourists and snowbirds leave? We get out town back! Plenty of parking, little traffic and restaurants that are happy to see you. It’s like another world and I, for one, love it.
 
Close enough to Florida

I was born and raised in Western New York State. I know snow and cold. I loved winter sports until my knees began to give out on the ski slopes. Winter stopped being "fun". Then the non stop gray days would send me into depression mode. Had the chance to transfer through work to Alabama. I know the Alabama jokes but believe me that was the right move for me. Have lived here 20+ years. Love the heat and seldom run my central air conditioning. My old house has good cross ventilation to where I'm good until the nights stop cooling off as is happening now. I still appreciate the beauty of winter and snow. Have done three winter crossings by train across Canada on "the Canadian" and two winter crossing across the west on the "Zepher" and the "Empire Builder". To enjoy the snow and cold from the comfort of a railroad dome car is magic...
 
PENSACOLA!!

Yeah, a bit redneck, but has a bit of cold weather. Good place to be gone from in July and August. - our choice is Colorado.

No state taxes. Andrews Ortho! Great hospitals and doctors that are easy to get into.

Revitalized downtown with numerous - numerous - brewpubs! Symphony. New ballpark. Increasingly great restaurants. SHRIMP and OYSTERS! Incredible beaches and fishing.

All available 365 a year ... hot, but can still do everything.

Low cost of living!

Advertising over (-:
 
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. Too humid. Too much traffic. And back yards have to have bug tents. And I don't want to be anywhere near a hurricane zone.

Just as many low traffic areas as high traffic to pick from.

Not humid in winter.

Hurricane risk can be managed with concrete block to roofline, no flood zone, no living space at ground level, not an evacuation zone, not being there in summer, and being on the same electric trunk line as a hospital or shelter.

Move to a lake near family or friends up north for summers.
 
I'm actually not a beach person, but I'd like to have beaches within a 45 minute or so drive. I love Corkscrew swamp and Fakahatchee Strand State Park. Are there places to live inland that offer that kind of access?


Ave Maria would be an interesting option, especially if you are Catholic or like that vibe.

Many other new gated communities opening up on Corkscrew Road. Visiting new communities in SW Florida is one of our hobbies.

Cypress Walk Fort Myers has Six Mile Slough Park right across the street.
 
So no Maine? Good for you.

Of course the property taxes in NH are the thing.

We always thought a mix of NH and Fl would be a great mix. Both states are great for taxes and they compliment each other so well. NH in he summer, Fall & FL in the winter, spring.

Currently in CT where more people are leaving than moving in. Taxes are brutal. If you own a business, not very business friendly and we are about to break a record in July for most days above 90° it seems more & more we spend most of the summer here in the ac.
 
Florida & Climate Change

Raising sea levels, coastal flooding, more frequent and sever hurricanes, heatwaves, and invasive species. Oh yeah sign me up!
 
Very true! Fortunately, my parents live in Sun City Center (same as @dlhanson) so spend a fair amount of time down there and know what I will be missing. I currently have 8 different grocery stores within a 3 mile radius-I will miss that!
 
No, we actually looked into Kittery to York area.
Some nice affordable homes near the ocean. We opted for NH. We are still commuting plus we love our town. Maine RE is cheaper, and property taxes are much lower in the towns we looked at. However, Maine has income and sales taxes. It would be close to a wash, tax wise since the property taxes are so low … even in retirement.

So no Maine? Good for you.

Of course the property taxes in NH are the thing.
 
As I mentioned on another thread, I believe that taxes, in one form or another, MUST increase in Florida as climate change impinges. Coastal infrastructure will require massive rebuilding. Right now it's being paid for through borrowing - Miami just issued a $400 "Miami Forever" bond - but when I think of all the sewers that need to be reworked, the roads and bridges needing raising, the saltwater intrusion into drinking water - how is this not going to increase taxes?

I am interested in moving to Florida, but this is a consideration that I will look into. Meantime, here in high-tax NJ, recent changes have favored retirees. I will pay no state income tax next year, and in a couple of years my property taxes will be frozen.

And taxes DO bring benefits in NJ to older retirees, mostly poorer than those on this forum. Senior centers in my town serve very low cost lunches ($1.50 if memory serves), provide activities, transportation, really good public libraries with free programs, and some health freebies. The transportation seems particularly important. All these have income restrictions, but they do benefit poorer retirees.
 
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