MGM Grand Settlement

The back story I'd like to read is how fast the lawyers got in touch with victims' families.

And I wonder if victims' families that will be getting this compensation really believe MGM is responsible.

It stinks IMO.

Talked to a PI lawyer and he says most companies just settle so they don't have to deal with all the years of legal proceedings.

35-50% of $800MM is not a bad payday.
 
And in the end, the consumers pay. Higher hotel rates because insurance costs go up. And higher insurance costs as huge claims are paid out.
 
aaronc879 said:
I think people need to take responsibility for themselves, their own safety and health costs, rather than sueing other people.
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Yup.

Those 58 people who died should have brought their own high-powered rifles. Y'know, just in case a nearby hotel let someone carry in 20 bags worth of firearms and opened fire at them.

Gotta take responsibility for yourself after all.
 
Blame, has less to do with these situations than the appearance of blame. MGM probably settled for this amount to prevent bad publicity.

My BIL is a cop in Southern Florida, and over his 30 years, he has had 2 individuals that he needed to dispatch to protect himself, and the surrounding public (truly bad guys on Meth). In each occurrence, the city paid the mourning relatives a substantial amount to keep quiet, and prevent a riot.
 
Elbata said:
Talked to a PI lawyer and he says most companies just settle so they don't have to deal with all the years of legal proceedings.

35-50% of $800MM is not a bad payday.
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And in smaller PI cases, the lawyer's fee is contingent. If the client accepts a settlement, the attorney gets 35% of it (as an example). If it proceeds to trial then a settlement before verdict then the attorney gets 40%. If it goes all the way to verdict, then the attorney gets 45%...so very often, the client will want the money NOW and wants to pay the attorney the lesser fee.
 
joeea said:
Yup.

Those 58 people who died should have brought their own high-powered rifles. Y'know, just in case a nearby hotel let someone carry in 20 bags worth of firearms and opened fire at them.

Gotta take responsibility for yourself after all.
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You know, there's not always someone/company to be blamed. Of course, in this case there is.... the shooter.

Attorneys know they can go for the deep pockets and make everyone "feel better" by getting to blame someone. Oh, and make themselves rich in the process.
 
We live in a litigious society. Something bad happens, somebody has to pay. Find the deepest pocket, and make them spend millions defending themselves to prove they aren't liable. That's why I carry a ridiculous amount of liability insurance, to protect myself from the parasites that prey on the misfortunes of others.

Several years ago, I was riding my bike (on a bike trail) when a jogger who had bent over to tie her shoes stepped out without looking right in front of me. I wrecked trying to avoid her but still hit her with part of my body while crashing. She went down crying while I laid there, bleeding and in shock myself from the crash. Her husband (a parasite lawyer) ran right past his injured wife and started asking me my name and if I owned my home and had homeowners insurance! They sued me for $500K for his wife's "bump" and my insurance company had to litigate to get me off. I think they ended up paying her $30K for "medical bills?" right before we were to go to court.
I was furious to hear about the settlement, as I didn't feel I'd done anything wrong. But the insurance company attorney said I didn't have a say in it, and they were avoiding the cost of a trial that could exceed the settlement even if they won!
What a jacked up system!!
 
Lien, it’s that type of thing that I find disgusting. I have been a passenger in 8 different car accidents and never sued anyone. Yes I have neck/back injuries and the car insurance paid my bills for awhile. Although, now I have to see a chiropractor monthly to manage it. It’s been a ongoing expense for me. Only one person was negligent and that was a drunk guy. I would have sued but a doctor’s son let his friend drive the truck so it didn’t feel right. I was mostly injured from that accident and not the other little fender benders.
 
Tiger8693 said:
You know, there's not always someone/company to be blamed. Of course, in this case there is.... the shooter.

Attorneys know they can go for the deep pockets and make everyone "feel better" by getting to blame someone. Oh, and make themselves rich in the process.
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The MGM attorneys could have concluded that they wouldn't be blamed by a jury. Apparently they thought about it and chose a settlement instead.

Maybe MGM will improve their security now.
 
joeea said:
The MGM attorneys could have concluded that they wouldn't be blamed by a jury. Apparently they thought about it and chose a settlement instead.

Maybe MGM will improve their security now.
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Maybe they will subcontract the TSA, never can be to careful.
 
joeea said:
The MGM attorneys could have concluded that they wouldn't be blamed by a jury. Apparently they thought about it and chose a settlement instead.

Maybe MGM will improve their security now.
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Do you want to be patted down, go thru metal detector, and have your luggage checked everytime you enter the hotel. I don't and don't think most people would. What else could they do?
 
It could be the hotel has some level of negligence. I have no information to suggest this, but am considering it merely a possibility. For example maybe the shooter shows up on their security videos with a bellboy rolling a pile of automatic weapons and ammo up to his room via a hotel cart.
 
GrayHare said:
It could be the hotel has some level of negligence. I have no information to suggest this, but am considering it merely a possibility.
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Exactly. I think it's a fair assumption that none of us here know the real details, and the legal analysis behind the decision. The shooter probably had Do No Disturb on for multiple days - perhaps the hotel has some policy that they overrode for this person despite their guidelines. Maybe a key camera was out of action and not replaced. Maybe one of the employees reported something odd that was logged, but security never followed up. Maybe a million other things.
 
< cough snort >


But to be a fly on the wall during a committe meeting hearing dictating what is and what isn't acceptable behavior at a Las Vegas venue.
 
A year ago MGM was actually countersuing the claimants saying the company had no responsibility (probably not the best move in terms of public relations):
MGM Resorts International, which is facing a barrage of lawsuits over the shooting, responded Friday by naming more than 1,000 of the shooting victims as defendants in two lawsuits of its own. The entertainment giant is not seeking monetary damages but, citing a federal law, asks the courts to protect it from legal actions filed by the victims.
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/17/us/mgm-lawsuit-victims-las-vegas-shooting-trnd/index.html
 
It is human nature to need to blame someone after such a tragedy. Who was there to blame but the hotel for not doing who knows what. Sad situation with no real closure. But for the hotel to pay off off victims was the easiest way to end the litigation.
 
HFWR said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting
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Often with the help of hotel bellhops, he brought five suitcases to his room on September 25, seven on the 26th, two on the 28th, six on the 30th, and two on October 1.
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And I have to ask - "So what?"

Before I retired I was one of the instructors at an annual computer forensics conference in FL every year. In the course of that conference we brought in lots and lots of gear in metal cases, many if not most indistinguishable from gun cases. Really, inside those cases we could have brought in enough explosives to level the hotel, if not the town. Well, at least a block or so.

The point being that I'm sure in a hotel setting it is not at all uncommon for conference attendees to bring in amounts of luggage far in excess of what is needed for changing clothes. So someone bringing in lots of luggage wouldn't raise any eyebrows.
 
Walt34 said:
And I have to ask - "So what?"

Before I retired I was one of the instructors at an annual computer forensics conference in FL every year. In the course of that conference we brought in lots and lots of gear in metal cases, many if not most indistinguishable from gun cases. Really, inside those cases we could have brought in enough explosives to level the hotel, if not the town. Well, at least a block or so.

The point being that I'm sure in a hotel setting it is not at all uncommon for conference attendees to bring in amounts of luggage far in excess of what is needed for changing clothes. So someone bringing in lots of luggage wouldn't raise any eyebrows.
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I agree. No reason for anyone to think he was up to anything bad. The only way to stop this kind of thing from happening again in a large hotel is to have metal detectors, x-ray machines and luggage searches for everyone every time they go into the hotel. I don't think many people want that.
 
aaronc879 said:
I agree. No reason for anyone to think he was up to anything bad. The only way to stop this kind of thing from happening again in a large hotel is to have metal detectors, x-ray machines and luggage searches for everyone every time they go into the hotel. I don't think many people want that.
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Aside from the settlement, nothing has changed as far as I can tell.

And likely nothing will change. More mass killings will occur. People will continue to say "there was nothing we could have done".

And so it goes...

:(
 
aaronc879 said:
No reason for anyone to think he was up to anything bad.
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No reason that any of us speculators, who weren't there, and don't work in the hotel, to think - you're right.

But this settlement may well be in place to ensure that further discovery isn't made public. We don't know what the staff saw, what the logs and tapes showed. We know only the broad public details.

I imagine that the high powered attorneys that decided this case - for all parties - know a fair bit more than any of us do sitting here at our keyboards miles and miles away.
 
I agree. I'd like to know the story. The whole thing smells fishy. The Arabs own the top floors of that hotel, the event was strongly conservative, and there was more than one source of gun fire.

That's just the beginning ...
 
Beachcomber said:
I agree. I'd like to know the story. The whole thing smells fishy. The Arabs own the top floors of that hotel, the event was strongly conservative, and there was more than one source of gun fire.
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Conspiracy theory much?
 
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