Daily New Coronavirus Cases: US vs EU

[Alan]

So far the Canada border is closed until July 21.

Not fully closed. Americans are allowed across for non essential travel if they say they are driving to Alaska. Transiting travelers are asked to limit stops along the way and practice social distancing when making essential stops.

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/the-cana...are-still-coming-through-here-s-how-1.4980589

According to the post, the visitors said they had told Canadian border agents that they were continuing on to Alaska and that was enough to let them in.

"They are now wandering around Banff, no masks, no distancing, no 14-day quarantine. There was also another similar incident same loophole used for another group of visitors from Seattle," the post reads. "This is more than alarming!"

 

[audreyh1]

Not fully closed. Americans are allowed across for non essential travel if they say they are driving to Alaska. Transiting travelers are asked to limit stops along the way and practice social distancing when making essential stops.

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/the-cana...are-still-coming-through-here-s-how-1.4980589

Wow - Gee that Texas family is real considerate! And apparently very proud of themselves.

People behaving very badly, and boasting of it!

I hope they sic the Canadian Mounties on them!

 

[Dtail]

Masks are now mandatory for indoor places in Tampa FLA. We will see how that goes.
FLA set another daily case record yesterday.

 

[USGrant1962]

Masks are now mandatory for indoor places in Tampa FLA. We will see how that goes.
FLA set another daily case record yesterday.

RT.live has updated their model to include test-adjusted positives on their "new cases" graphs. If you believe their model (see my sig), some states like NC and Georgia ("human sacrifice" you know) are actually rather flat or slightly increasing when accounting for increased testing.

FL, TX, and SC do seem to be trending poorly even accounting for increased testing.

 

[Lsbcal]

...

• it’s not that bad/serious of a disease.
• it’s (magically) going away soon.
• it’s just because we’re doing more testing.
• it’s a hoax - I won’t get infected nor infect others.
• there is no way a “second” wave will happen.
• I thought the pandemic was over.

etc.
...

Audrey for President!

 

[Lsbcal]

Thought this was a very interesting chart comparing the 7-day rolling average of new Corinavirus cases in the US (pop 330M) to the EU (pop 440M). As the infectious disease Dr from New Zealand stated in the article, “It really does feel like the U.S. has given up..."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...bay-experts-watch-us-case-numbers-with-alarm/

That relative comparison chart is really scary. I guess here in the US people don't understand exponentials.

 

[Chuckanut]

The rise here was attributed to Mother's day celebrations.

Gosh, Mom is popular isn't she. I bet the Father's Day celebrations don't cause nearly the spike that Mother's Day did.

I have been tracking a moving 7 Day Average from my county's data. A week ago we had 36 new cases per day as the average. Today, the 7 Day average is 69 new cases per day.

I think Mom got some help in spiking the stats.

 

[tulak]

Not fully closed. Americans are allowed across for non essential travel if they say they are driving to Alaska. Transiting travelers are asked to limit stops along the way and practice social distancing when making essential stops.



https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/the-cana...are-still-coming-through-here-s-how-1.4980589

Wow. This is why we can’t have nice things.

 

[explanade]

I have a trip scheduled for Switzerland and France in mid July, booked last year.

About 10 days ago, it looked possible that the EU would open to tourists from everywhere. Portugal, Greece both said they'd open up to the world while other EU countries were mainly talking about starting with opening up to each other.

Now with the peaking cases -- we were around 20k but have hit 30k new cases the last couple of days -- it seems EU won't be interested in having US tourists any time soon.

Read a headline that traffic in many places are 90% of pre-pandemic levels. FL restaurants and bars are packed.

 

[REWahoo]

If I lived in a big state like Texas, I'd be looking at my local county or metro area statistics, as well as state-wide statistics, for further relevant information and a more complete understanding of what is going on around me.

Ya mean like this for my area? (Note the number of hospitalized Covid-19 patients has more than tripled in the past two weeks.)

 

[Sunset]

Not fully closed. Americans are allowed across for non essential travel if they say they are driving to Alaska. Transiting travelers are asked to limit stops along the way and practice social distancing when making essential stops.

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/the-cana...are-still-coming-through-here-s-how-1.4980589

Also can cross into Canada if you have immediate family - their definition is pretty strict as in Parent, dependent child, etc... So just having a 20 yr old child living on their own probably does not count.
Driving or flying into Canada is treated the same.

What is really weird, is similar restrictions apply for Canadians driving to the USA.
However, Canadians can fly into the USA without restriction. So ones stopped at the border wanting to see parents, go home get a plane ticket and fly over the border to visit their parents.

 

[Silver]

I have to say that I do not understand the resistance to wearing a mask. I just don't get it. I've decided to blame the public school system and poor parenting for the non-mask-wearing individuals.

Evidence-based decision making and critical thinking should begin to be taught at a very young age, and continued life long. They are both important when deciding if a situation calls for a "me first" result or a "greater good" result. Neither is right all the time. And making important decisions based on emotion or listening to someone you like is often bad. These are all learned concepts.

If a child grows up in an environment where these concepts are valued and taught, their behavior is reflective.

 

[mpeirce]

“It really does feel like the U.S. has given up..."

Given up on what?

Did we flatten the curve? Sure did

Are we overwhelming the hospitals? Nope

Sounds to me like a job well done America.

Now let's see if we can prevent an economic collapse by getting the economy going again. So far so good? Still no overwhelmed hospitals I that I know about.

Vaccines should arrive either late this year or early next year and that should put an end to the problem.

 

[mpeirce]

Ya mean like this for my area? (Note the number of hospitalized Covid-19 patients has more than tripled in the past two weeks.)

Well, here in Ohio where we've opened up a lot, our stats are pretty darn flat.

Here's our chart for new cases, deaths, hospitalizations, and ICU admissions - plenty of noise in the data, but nothing for us to freak out about. Link

 

[Dtail]

RT.live has updated their model to include test-adjusted positives on their "new cases" graphs. If you believe their model (see my sig), some states like NC and Georgia ("human sacrifice" you know) are actually rather flat or slightly increasing when accounting for increased testing.

FL, TX, and SC do seem to be trending poorly even accounting for increased testing.

You and I don't always agree on Covid stuff, but in general agreement here.
Probably can add Arizona to the trending poorly list.

 

[Dtail]

Given up on what?

Did we flatten the curve? Sure did

Are we overwhelming the hospitals? Nope

Sounds to me like a job well done America.

Now let's see if we can prevent an economic collapse by getting the economy going again. So far so good? Still no overwhelmed hospitals I that I know about.

Vaccines should arrive either late this year or early next year and that should put an end to the problem.

Bolded by me - flattened the curve at 30k new cases just yesterday?

Economy shut down was not mandatory. It was a conscious decision by those in charge. A decision that probably would have been made by others too.

 

[explanade]

Vaccines, especially the first ones which become available, may not be the magic bullets people hope they are.

 

[mpeirce]

Bolded by me - flattened the curve at 30k new cases just yesterday?

When the public health officials were talking about flattening the curve, hospitalization (and related ICU utilization) is specifically what they were talking about. They were very concerned that the hospitals would be overwhelmed. THIS IS NOT HAPPENING.

This chart of the US Weekly Hospitalization rate from the CDC shows this.

 

[REWahoo]

Vaccines should arrive either late this year or early next year and that should put an end to the problem.

I admire your optimism but doubt the accuracy of your prognostication.

 

[explanade]

Keeping hospitalizations down is a good goal.

So is reducing or minimizing new infections.

 

[Lsbcal]

RT.live has updated their model to include test-adjusted positives on their "new cases" graphs. If you believe their model (see my sig), some states like NC and Georgia ("human sacrifice" you know) are actually rather flat or slightly increasing when accounting for increased testing.

FL, TX, and SC do seem to be trending poorly even accounting for increased testing.

I think you are referring to the so called "positivity rate" i.e. positives/total_testing. That seems to be a normalized number we should be looking at for regions around the US.

It seems to be a struggle to find good ways of coming up with a figure of merit in this pandemic. One figure of merit might be the R naught which is the factor in the exponential growth rate. Below 1.0 is declining cases. I think this might be more used in Europe.

 

[Teacher Terry]

Effective vaccines take a long time to develop. It’s wishful thinking to expect one soon. I hope I am totally wrong.

 

[jcfradio]

Also can cross into Canada if you have immediate family - their definition is pretty strict as in Parent, dependent child, etc... So just having a 20 yr old child living on their own probably does not count.
Driving or flying into Canada is treated the same.

What is really weird, is similar restrictions apply for Canadians driving to the USA.
However, Canadians can fly into the USA without restriction. So ones stopped at the border wanting to see parents, go home get a plane ticket and fly over the border to visit their parents.

In either case, the person coming into Canada (whether they are family or not) must self-quarantine for 14 days upon arrival - unlike those Bozo's stopping in Banff on their (supposed) way to Alaska. The locals in Banff should show them, up close, where the grizzly bears live.

I would not be surprised to see the border stay closed to non-essential crossings until year end or at some time when infections start dropping in the USA. BTW, Canada has been at less then 400 new cases/day for the past number of days and restrictions still remain in effect in most locales. In our area, restaurants can only have outdoor patios with 2 meters separation or takeout. No indoor service.

 

[anethum]

Given up on what?

Did we flatten the curve? Sure did

Are we overwhelming the hospitals? Nope

Sounds to me like a job well done America.

Now let's see if we can prevent an economic collapse by getting the economy going again. So far so good? Still no overwhelmed hospitals I that I know about.

Vaccines should arrive either late this year or early next year and that should put an end to the problem.

I suggest you look at the R naught values and graphs for each state on this site. It's updated daily:

https://rt.live/

Fully 25 U.S. states have R naught values above 1.0 and a few high population states are well above 1.0 . Florida and Texas, in particular, look very problematic. If you look at the R naught graphs for the states, many are anything but flat. Rather, some states are on a steep incline upward in new infections.

Some hospitals were overwhelmed, and some are presently overwhelmed (e.g. parts of eastern Washington, Arizona, Houston).

https://kimatv.com/news/local/yakim...with-covid-19-cases-no-beds-left-for-patients

https://www.khou.com/article/news/h...ents/285-fad2e536-a73b-4e6b-8caa-96d4c5f98457

I would hardly call the country's response to the coronavirus "well done". I think it has been an utter debacle, from botched testing, to a lack of leadership, to politicized responses rather than sound scientific/medical responses from some elected officials and a significant segment of the population.

I fear that given current trends, the situation is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

 

[Dtail]

When the public health officials were talking about flattening the curve, hospitalization (and related ICU utilization) is specifically what they were talking about. They were very concerned that the hospitals would be overwhelmed. THIS IS NOT HAPPENING.

This chart of the US Weekly Hospitalization rate from the CDC shows this.

Okay, but if the number of daily cases keeps increasing, then the potential for hospitals to eventually become overwhelmed increases too.