FDA Approves Booster Shot for People with Weakened Immune Systems

Remember, you can set up as many beds as you want, but you need equipment as well as staff. I heard that in Alberta, one nurse who usually takes care of something like 4 ventilator patients is taking care of multiple that.


In some of my reading today statements are made they have staff it's the beds that are the problem,...can we call medical people in the NG or reserves, do as they do in widespread power outage ages and fly in some extra staff? I remember the hospital ship in NY sat virtually empty.



Actually NY has one of the lowest rates in the country maybe they could send some staff out West and return the favor that was done for that state in 2020, NJ, Cali all have low rates maybe they can spare some people.
 
Some hospitals are losing medical staff, as the staff are quitting, and then working as traveling nurses.
Traveling to various hospitals and getting paid a bunch more to do what they were doing at their old job.
Some medical staff are also simply quitting, tired of being overworked/exposed/harassed in overcrowded hospitals and now these year when it was suppose to end, it's continuing for another year.
 
The CVS booster shot sign-up specifies "weakened immune system" as qualifying criteria for an appointment. Wouldn't anyone over 65 have a weakened immune system (as compared to a younger person)? How about obese people, anyone of any age with high blood pressure, asthma, etc? I think anyone who really wants a booster can legitimately get one.
 
Wouldn't anyone over 65 have a weakened immune system (as compared to a younger person)?

I believe I read that the booster is recommended for people 65+ and those with weakened immune systems .

As I read it a 65+ person gets a booster regardless of how strong their immune system actually is.
 
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Not as easy as driving to the next state though. We have a Canadian friend who talked about crossing the border to Detroit for an emergency heart procedure ...he said the ambulance just blew through..


They’re airlifted to Seattle. Harborview is a level 1 trauma center that serves Washington, Alaska, Montana and Idaho.

Even pre-covid is was common to have critical patients airlifted to Harborview for care.
 
I believe I read that the booster is recommended for people 65+ and those with weakened immune systems .

As I read it a 65+ person gets a booster regardless of how strong their immune system actually is.

Right, I guess the question is how much stronger is the immune system of a 64 or 63 yr old ?

I don't see a big difference.

<edit> Again notice the FDA used the magic age 65 , it's pervasive in our society from history, to link 65 with old feeble retired people.
 
The CVS booster shot sign-up specifies "weakened immune system" as qualifying criteria for an appointment. Wouldn't anyone over 65 have a weakened immune system (as compared to a younger person)? How about obese people, anyone of any age with high blood pressure, asthma, etc? I think anyone who really wants a booster can legitimately get one.


Watching one of the Sunday morning shows the show host posed the question to the director of the National Institutes of Health about high risk. Giving the example that she (the host) is a parent with two under aged children with no vaccine yet. So should she (the host) be considered high risk. The director said was a very good question and in that situation he would consider her at high risk, like health care workers. He said a question like that is what the CDC will have to talk about.
 
I saw one of the FDA panel talking about their recommendation that disappointed me.

I suddenly realized that probably ALL of the panel qualify based on their recommendations. So no worries on their part. :(
 
What gets me is one moment we hear that the vaccines with only 2 doses still do a great job at protecting and the vast majority of those who are hospitalized or dying are vaccinated. But another moment we hear the front line workers need a booster.

Wait ... if the 2 doses are doing a great job, they wouldn't they still be doing a great job for the front line workers? So why would they need a booster unless they fall into the other categories like older, compromised health?

What am I missing? :confused:
 
The CVS booster shot sign-up specifies "weakened immune system" as qualifying criteria for an appointment. Wouldn't anyone over 65 have a weakened immune system (as compared to a younger person)? How about obese people, anyone of any age with high blood pressure, asthma, etc? I think anyone who really wants a booster can legitimately get one.

They just haven’t changed the language yet. Maybe the CDC has to provide instructions. I think that’s what happened last time.
 
What gets me is one moment we hear that the vaccines with only 2 doses still do a great job at protecting and the vast majority of those who are hospitalized or dying are vaccinated. But another moment we hear the front line workers need a booster.

Wait ... if the 2 doses are doing a great job, they wouldn't they still be doing a great job for the front line workers? So why would they need a booster unless they fall into the other categories like older, compromised health?

What am I missing? :confused:

I agree, I tend to think it's more of a message to spread out the mass of folks wanting a booster shot, and not play into the hands of anti-vac slogans of "the vaccine doesn't work".

Problem is the message is not effective when trying to be in the middle.

Complicating this for people who decide is the wishful thinking if there is more vaccines available, even a large surplus, all the un-vaccinated will suddenly decide to get vaccinated.

Another complication is the moral shame, (I don't know what to call it). Here we are wanting a 3rd shot, and lots of poor countries don't have hardly any shots available. If we take less, they can have more, type of wishful thinking. (I don't think the pie is limited, and many cannot use certain vaccines due to storage and transportation).
 
I watched a clip by Rachel Maddow (msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show titled "What to know about the FDA's decision on Pfizer booster shots").

18 panel members voted 16-2 against the booster dose for 16+.
18-0 for the booster shot for 65+ for people with a higher risk for developing COVID, and the second group seems to include some essential workers like healthcare workers, teachers, etc.

I was thinking... Did they take a vote for 60+? 55+? 50+? (The UK is going with 50+ and Isreal initially with 60+.)
 
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What gets me is one moment we hear that the vaccines with only 2 doses still do a great job at protecting and the vast majority of those who are hospitalized or dying are vaccinated. But another moment we hear the front line workers need a booster.

Wait ... if the 2 doses are doing a great job, they wouldn't they still be doing a great job for the front line workers? So why would they need a booster unless they fall into the other categories like older, compromised health?

What am I missing? :confused:

Even though a front line worker may not be at risk for getting seriously ill or dying, you need them healthy so they can keep working. Which would make the strain On our healthcare system worse than it already is.

I haven’t been following the reasoning of the FDA but I’m guessing this played a role in their decision to approve healthcare workers for a booster.

Edited to add: In other words, even a mild breakthrough infection means the worker cannot return to work until they are cleared to return. At our hospital, if you test positive you cannot return to work for 10 days.
 
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What gets me is one moment we hear that the vaccines with only 2 doses still do a great job at protecting and the vast majority of those who are hospitalized or dying are vaccinated. But another moment we hear the front line workers need a booster.

Wait ... if the 2 doses are doing a great job, they wouldn't they still be doing a great job for the front line workers? So why would they need a booster unless they fall into the other categories like older, compromised health?

What am I missing? :confused:

Front line workers face much more exposure, on a daily basis, with the sickest of those with Covid. The more exposure the greater the need for the very highest level of protection.

"the vast majority of those who are hospitalized or dying are vaccinated." I really hope this was just a typo on your part!
 
I believe I read that the booster is recommended for people 65+ and those with weakened immune systems .

As I read it a 65+ person gets a booster regardless of how strong their immune system actually is.
It still has to be approved by the CDC which probably will happen this week I hope.
 
Front line workers face much more exposure, on a daily basis, with the sickest of those with Covid. The more exposure the greater the need for the very highest level of protection.
Yes, we forget that the amount of exposure can be crucial in determining how sick one gets. Also, many healthcare workers were among the first to get vaccinated last December so they are already 9 months in as far as protection potentially waning goes.
 
Front line workers face much more exposure, on a daily basis, with the sickest of those with Covid. The more exposure the greater the need for the very highest level of protection.

"the vast majority of those who are hospitalized or dying are vaccinated." I really hope this was just a typo on your part!

Yes, was a typo. Sorry.

Good explanations.
 
Front line workers face much more exposure, on a daily basis, with the sickest of those with Covid. The more exposure the greater the need for the very highest level of protection.

Yes, we forget that the amount of exposure can be crucial in determining how sick one gets. Also, many healthcare workers were among the first to get vaccinated last December so they are already 9 months in as far as protection potentially waning goes.

Exactly. The high frequency of exposure (daily, even hourly) and the high viral load that many healthcare workers are exposed to is a recipe for breakthrough infections, some of which will be severe cases. The severity of a COVID case tends to be highly correlated with the initial viral load someone is exposed to.
 
18 panel members voted 16-2 against the booster dose for 16+.
18-0 for the booster shot for 65+ for people with a higher risk for developing COVID, and the second group seems to include some essential workers like healthcare workers, teachers, etc.

I was thinking... Did they take a vote for 60+? 55+? 50+? (The UK is going with 50+ and Isreal initially with 60+.)

They did not take a vote for any other age cut off. I think this is part of what plays into my sense that, together, Pfizer and the FDA are sending mixed messages and not only making some of us feel unsafe, but feeding into vaccine hesitancy or being anti-vax.

Pfizer says that people 16+ need boosters after a certain period of time - and Israel is now doing that. The FDA seems to be saying there's not data to support that. But they aren't ruling it out; they are not saying that the data shows that a booster is unnecessary or unsafe for people who are, for example, 50. They say the data isn't there. That may be Pfizer's fault for not obtaining enough data. (And the CDC isn't doing a ton of data collection, though their abilities have been limited by the fact that our contact tracing and testing are decentralized and aren't nearly as good as some other countries.)

There apparently is data that those who have been vaccinated the longest now have a reduced protection against severe illness (hospitalization and death). But, is that because the vaccine's protection wanes for everyone or is that because the people who have been vaccinated the longest are those who qualified earliest to be vaccinated and tend to be the oldest people and those who have more frequent and more prolonged exposure to those who are sick with COVID, such as doctors and nurses? I don't know if the science and data answer that. But, Pfizer's messaging definitely undermines my confidence in the degree of protection I have, especially given that I would qualify for a booster in both the U.K. and Israel and given how long I have been vaccinated.

It also undermines my confidence in whether I am currently safe that some of the FDA members authored an article opposing boosters largely because that will impact the ability to give some people their first two shots. I understand that from an ethical perspective and from the perspective that reducing the number of infections also reduces the risk for new and more dangerous variants. But, it does make me wonder how much those concerns affected the FDA decision and what the science says about whether people under 65 (including myself) are at a significantly increased risk of getting sick from COVID after 6 months. I also understand that there is at least some information suggesting that there are some heart problems as side effects, especially for younger adults, so they may want more data on that before approving the booster for more people and they may think they have time for that since a lot of younger adults were vaccinated later. But, since I appear to fall into a category that does not seem to have those heart issues and I would receive the booster if I lived in Israel or the U.K., I have to wonder what the basis is for the decision to go with 65 and not lower.

For now, I'm just trying to be extra cautious, especially since others seem to be less cautious as time goes on.
 
What gets me is one moment we hear that the vaccines with only 2 doses still do a great job at protecting and the vast majority of those who are hospitalized or dying are vaccinated. But another moment we hear the front line workers need a booster.

Wait ... if the 2 doses are doing a great job, they wouldn't they still be doing a great job for the front line workers? So why would they need a booster unless they fall into the other categories like older, compromised health?

What am I missing? :confused:

My guess is you are missing the need to keep the front line workers on the job. Even mild case of Covid may keep somebody home for a few days, maybe a week.
 
They did not take a vote for any other age cut off. I think this is part of what plays into my sense that, together, Pfizer and the FDA are sending mixed messages and not only making some of us feel unsafe, but feeding into vaccine hesitancy or being anti-vax.
I think it's highly unlikely that anti-vax and vaccine hesitant folks are paying much attention at all to Pfizer or the FDA. They're getting their misinformation from other sources. Frankly, for anyone paying attention, there's abundant information out there from credible medical sources to demonstrate the safety and efficacy of the vaccines which are available in the USA, whether it's Pfizer or the two vaccines which presently have EUA in the USA.
 
My guess is you are missing the need to keep the front line workers on the job. Even mild case of Covid may keep somebody home for a few days, maybe a week.

Actually, I think my post was misunderstood.

I'm all for keeping the front line workers on the job.

My post was on one hand the message is the vaccines are great at protecting with only two doses. Then the other message is folks at high risk needed a booster. Just needed a clarification on the reasoning.
 
I'll let the experts work out the timing for any booster I might get. So far they seem to have done a good job.

Ditto.

Heh heh heh - they canceled my 60th HS reunion out in Washington State. Hope to get the booster in ? Nov.? :cool:
 
I think it's highly unlikely that anti-vax and vaccine hesitant folks are paying much attention at all to Pfizer or the FDA. They're getting their misinformation from other sources. Frankly, for anyone paying attention, there's abundant information out there from credible medical sources to demonstrate the safety and efficacy of the vaccines which are available in the USA, whether it's Pfizer or the two vaccines which presently have EUA in the USA.

Bold by me. Very strong language for something that is still unknown. If it does not agree with your source, it is "misinformation". Somehow I thought the scientific process worked differently. Discourse, dialogue, research, usually taking several years. There is no "proven Science" here, only reasonable scientific theories, and sometimes they don't agree.

FWIW, I am not anti-vax, been protected since March.
 
Bold by me. Very strong language for something that is still unknown. If it does not agree with your source, it is "misinformation". Somehow I thought the scientific process worked differently. Discourse, dialogue, research, usually taking several years. There is no "proven Science" here, only reasonable scientific theories, and sometimes they don't agree.

FWIW, I am not anti-vax, been protected since March.
What exactly are you claiming is "unknown". The safety and efficacy of the vaccines is not a "scientific theory". Hundreds of millions of doses have been administered around the world with an exceedingly low number of serious adverse reactions. And that was after thousands of individuals received vaccines in well-run trials which provided quality data that was carefully examined before the vaccines were allowed to be administered to the general public.

I'm getting tired of hearing excuses for not getting vaccinated. I'm also getting tired of knee-jerk vague attacks on the FDA, other entities, and certain individuals.

Finally, there is a plethora of evidence that there is a vast amount of misinformation about covid vaccines and covid itself being spread on outlets like youtube as well as on other media outlets.
 
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