Auto Strike isn't going to help matters

[street]

I could not see a thread started on this subject if so please delete mine, thank you.

Wouldn't you know it. I ordered an outfit and now this. They were behind on production the way it was, now another blow. LOL

Looks like trucking unions are going to honor the strike also and sounds like a rail strike could happen in December.

Just not a good thing to happen for many reasons. Oh well, it is what it is.

 

[easysurfer]

2023 is the year of strikes (except UPS).

 

[RetiredAt49]

Agreed, which is another reason we bit the bullet and just refreshed our vehicles because I don’t see prices dropping anytime soon and felt “lucky” to get two new cars

 

[turbo89]

Has anyone seen an article outlining what both sides have offered for the auto strike?

I’ve only heard bits and pieces, and some of the worker demands do seem over the top… if the Union and big three are really that far apart, this one may take a while!

 

[ShokWaveRider]

It is only American Cars that will be affected, it will certainly not affect us. We (me and our neighbors, and that is a lot) have not purchased an American car for over 15 years. The quality simply is nowhere near that of European and Japanese cars. This strike is not going to make it better.

 

[street]

Has anyone seen an article outlining what both sides have offered for the auto strike?

I’ve only heard bits and pieces, and some of the worker demands do seem over the top… if the Union and big three are really that far apart, this one may take a while!

Here are a few of the big issues causing the strike. The article I tried to copy add link here were compromised.
Eliminating wage tiers
A 40% wage increase over the life of the contract
Restoring the cost-of-living allowance adjustments to counteract inflation
Defined benefit pension for all workers
A four-day workweek at five-day workweek pay

 

[TheWizard]

...A four-day workweek at five-day workweek pay

Well, as we all know, four days working means three days off to spend money on recreational things each week.
That's going to make things worse.

Better to go to a six-day work week to accumulate more wealth...

 

[Car-Guy]

I hope this doesn't affect my plans (availability or cost) to buy a new TRX (RAM Truck) later this year or early next. It's always seems to be something these days.

 

[TheWizard]

I hope this doesn't affect my plans (availability or cost) to buy a new TRX (RAM Truck) later this year or early next. It's always seems to be something these days.

It depends on when you get your factory order in.
I got my '24 Mustang order in back in early July.
It's supposedly "in production" around now, so my price should be firm...

 

[folivier]

Glad I got my new Buick a couple weeks ago.

 

[street]

Well, as we all know, four days working means three days off to spend money on recreational things each week.
That's going to make things worse.

Better to go to a six-day work week to accumulate more wealth...

I would say their thinking is they want to work 40 plus hours but want the 32-hour week. Then OT starts after 32 hours so that will increase their wages and even do better.

 

[MichaelB]

I would say their thinking is they want to work 40 plus hours but want the 32-hour week. Then OT starts after 32 hours so that will increase their wages and even do better.

Good point

 

[aaronc879]

I would say their thinking is they want to work 40 plus hours but want the 32-hour week. Then OT starts after 32 hours so that will increase their wages and even do better.

That's a possibility. I was thinking that work 32 get paid for 40 demand was just something they added in so they had something to give up in exchange for higher wages. I don't think they ever expected to get the 32 hour work week in the new contract.

 

[Texas Proud]

Think about this... a 40% pay increase combined with a 4 day work week with 5 days of pay means a 75% pay increase..


Must be nice if you can get it...

 

[calmloki]

Wages are funny. We just paid some apartment cleaners, two young moms of toddlers just filling their idle hours (hah). Worked out to $50/hour each. My part-time apartment manager has been working at Hewlett-Packard in their fab department for over twenty years and says he doesn't make that. Fledgling lawyer billed us at $250/hour - we didn't chat much. Wonder what the auto union workers make do with/hour.

 

[aaronc879]

Wages are funny. We just paid some apartment cleaners, two young moms of toddlers just filling their idle hours (hah). Worked out to $50/hour each. My part-time apartment manager has been working at Hewlett-Packard in their fab department for over twenty years and says he doesn't make that. Fledgling lawyer billed us at $250/hour - we didn't chat much. Wonder what the auto union workers make do with/hour.

They currently top out at around $32/hr. That is top pay after 8 years on the job. Starting pay is much lower and you start as a temp making under $20/hr.

 

[FlaMariner]

This only impacts the old USA "big 3" but all the USA auto employees of the foreign car companies (primarily in the south) Mercedes, BMW, Honda, Acura, Kia, Toyota, etc, etc. are not (thank goodness) represented by the UAW...and each time, those employees vote no to the UAW.

You've got to wonder how long they (the big 3 and the UAW) can keep going......No impact to us...we love our Acura's and Honda's.

Also, a quote today from President Biden regarding the strike:

"Workers deserve a fair share of the benefits they helped create for an enterprise,"

I'm curious as to what he thinks the "fair share" should be? Seems like the UAW defines it as a 40% raise and a 32 hour work week. Good luck with that.....hope that is "fair".

 

[GenXguy]

Well, hopefully they fail to get much of what they are asking for.

 

[Jerry1]

I would say their thinking is they want to work 40 plus hours but want the 32-hour week. Then OT starts after 32 hours so that will increase their wages and even do better.

This is the way it was described in the Detroit News:

The UAW has sought a number of proposals tied to "work-life balance," including shortening the work week to 32 hours with 40 hours' pay. The companies have rejected that proposal.

 

[street]

This is the way it was described in the Detroit News:

Interesting!! To me that is what I think they would be after. OT after 32-hour equals $$$$$$.

 

[Koolau]

This only impacts the old USA "big 3" but all the USA auto employees of the foreign car companies (primarily in the south) Mercedes, BMW, Honda, Acura, Kia, Toyota, etc, etc. are not (thank goodness) represented by the UAW...and each time, those employees vote no to the UAW.

You've got to wonder how long they (the big 3 and the UAW) can keep going......No impact to us...we love our Acura's and Honda's.

Also, a quote today from President Biden regarding the strike:

"Workers deserve a fair share of the benefits they helped create for an enterprise,"

I'm curious as to what he thinks the "fair share" should be? Seems like the UAW defines it as a 40% raise and a 32 hour work week. Good luck with that.....hope that is "fair".

Just as the "fair share" of taxes is never defined...

 

[Koolau]

I have heard on news discussions that the move to electric vehicles is a problem to the UAW because it takes fewer person-hours to build EVs.



Of course, just as the fast food industry has become more automated due to high wages, I look for even higher levels of automation in the Big 3 if such wages/w*rk rules are instituted. The Big 3 are barely competitive now with OUS car makers. I wonder what it will be like if such wages/rules are adopted. Can you spell "Another Bail Out." YMMV

 

[TheWizard]

This only impacts the old USA "big 3" but all the USA auto employees of the foreign car companies (primarily in the south) Mercedes, BMW, Honda, Acura, Kia, Toyota, etc, etc. are not (thank goodness) represented by the UAW...and each time, those employees vote no to the UAW...
.

Can you give us more unbiased insight into this?
How much do those non union auto workers get paid?
And broadly, what are their reasons for not voting in the UAW?

 

[Zathras]

My understanding is that the UAW is asking for a 40% (over 4 years) wage increase for a very specific reason.
The average of the 3 CEOs raises over the last 4 years is… 40%.

 

[Beststash]

Wage stagnation for most workers in the U.S. economy was not an unintended consequence—it was the intentional outcome of legislative, regulatory, and corporate policies deliberately implemented to stagnate labor costs, made on behalf of the wealthy and corporations.

I completely support collective bargaining. I wish them luck.