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Yeah, some of us apparently haven't yet gotten a life.
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Craig, this was a beautifully reasoned response. The rule of thumb on a 12ga with an open barrel is that the load will spread one inch per yard. So if you are shooting across your living room (20 ft avg) your spread will only be about 6-7 inches. Add to that the fact that the average Joe is going to try to hip shoot it like they see in Hollywood and the odds of actually hitting the target are pretty slim. And slugs don't spread at all. In my not so humble opinion, the greatest value of a 12 ga pump for home defense is that EVERYONE is fluent in "cha-ching"and nobody really wants to argue at that point.Remington 870 pump shotgun with an 18 inch barrel is the classic home defense firearm.* Takes more aiming than implied above, but it is an excellent defensive firearm ... can fire 00 buckshot, bird shot, slugs, etc.* Very versatile.
There are rifles that fire the same ammo as handguns.* For example, Marlin makes excellent lever action rifles that fire .44 magnum, .357 magnum ... both popular cartridges for revolvers.*
Great handguns are Glocks, Smith & Wesson revolvers (stainless steel sounds good for you), Ruger revolvers, Sig's, H&K, perhaps in that order considering your comments.
Bottom line is you can spend hours debating the relative merits of different firearms for different uses, but these are some classic choices.
Definitely get some training ...
There is no evidence to the contrary. People without the means to protect themselves and their families are merely victims. That is why every totalitarian government in history has outlawed the ownership of personal weapons. I think the best we can do is agree to disagree. Hijacking a thread to turn it into a pro-gun/anti-gun debate is poor etiquette. Since the OP was asking for gun advice it can be safely assumed he has made a reasoned decision to acquire one, and it should be left at that.Despite all evidence to the contrary, gun proponents believe they are safer owning a gun. *They have never been in a situation when they could use a gun to safety advantage, but they are convinced owning a gun makes them safer.
Sad, but true......the police usually show up in time to draw the chalk lines and take witness statements.
As I observed above, even in a group of certified gun-nuts, you aren't going to convince anyone with discussion, and certainly not with name calling.C'mon guys. As we have learned from many a diatribe, people are never convinced of any alternate position through challenges on a forum....Or as my wife might say, "Yes, every thing you have just said is probably true. I don't care."
Training is an absolute must!!! If the OP honestly believes he can put a gun in his closet, take it out years into the future and hit anything other than the closet door (shooting from inside the closet) he is sadly mistaken. The image of the retired gunfighter/lawman who can retrieve his pistols from a dusty trunk in the attic and still hit the broad side of his barn is pure Hollywood.
Are more and more people using Tasers for self-defense? Are they effective in that role? Whaddya do when they wake up ?
If there is a real chance of being attacked, do what razztazz says and "just move to a better place where that crap is less likely to happen".
just a warning... a shotgun for self defense in close quarters is not the best choice.
I will continue to use my PPK 32 - It has sentimental value as it was donated to me by a NVA Lieutenant many years ago. I do not know where he got it but it dates to WWII (Germany). Works great and is small enough to carry in a pocket.
I have two, both ex-German police. Nice little guns, and better sights than those on my old Savage.I will continue to use my PPK 32 - It has sentimental value as it was donated to me by a NVA Lieutenant many years ago. I do not know where he got it but it dates to WWII (Germany). Works great and is small enough to carry in a pocket.
Pistoleros. Just saying: Sig Sauer 225, got one today from the linked source, outstanding. Got the $299 version, $319 in my hands. Happiness is a warm gun. Scope it out.
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Hmmm - always wanted to have one handy at the other end of the house.... thanks for the link
I wouldn't think for a minute that a dose of pepper spray would be as effective as a 12 guage blast to the face at close range...... but again, I frequently have little kids in the house and therefore my guns are well secured with ammo and guns locked in separate locations. At least 2 -3 mins to get a gun out, get ammo and load. And I don't think I could expect DW to use a gun even if we had them stashed, loaded and ready, around the house.good luck indoors as your blinded too. or maybe it will have more of an effect on you then the bad guy leaving you blinded... soooo many times on cops you see them spray perps and its like nothing. the attack continues.
I don't have much respect for pepper spray anymore.
I don't hunt or reload, but otherwise: "ditto".BTW, I'm a long time registered gun owner, a hunter, a reloader and a supporter of gun ownership rights. I just don't support instant availability of firearms in homes frequented by small children.