TromboneAl
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This is a followup to a post I made a year ago:
http://www.early-retirement.org/forums/f38/blood-pressure-experiments-and-stategies-60360.html
I've been measuring my blood pressure in a standard way for almost two years now, experimenting with different supplements, strategies, etc. I'll write things up in more detail at some point, but here are my initial conclusions.
First, I found that BP experiments are hard, because measurements are so variable (partly due to the monitor), and it may take weeks or months to see the results of a particular treatment. To deal with that I measured frequently, and tried to keep treatments constant for a long period.
My approach was to initially hit the BP problem with everything I could think of (low salt, high potassium, magnesium, meditation, etc.), then eliminate things to see what caused the BP to rise again. I started the shotgun approach on Jan 26, 2012.
The data points represent an average of the last five BP measurements. Thus one unusually high or low measurement can cause a spike.
To reduce variability, I'd always measure right after waking in the morning, and would wait exactly 1.5 minutes after sitting down to take the measurement. This overestimates my BP -- if I do it later in the day, waiting a full five minutes, I usually get a lower value.
As you can see, I got the BP down significantly. Some of the subsequent ups and downs are related to eliminating or adding something, but there's a lot of unrelated variability.
Drastically reducing sodium and increasing potassium had a pretty clear effect, and following Jan 2012 I have continued that.
Calcium was an interesting factor. For me, calcium is extremely constipating, so I was eager to stop taking calcium. But whenever I'd stop taking it, the BP seemed to go up.
It may not be the calcium that's causing this: I realized that whenever I took calcium, I'd increase my fiber intake (with psyllium and flax) as well. So I think there's a good chance that it's the fiber that causing BP to drop rather than (or in conjunction) the calcium. Starting 2/13/13 I restarted the calcium and really increased fiber.
The obvious next experiment is to drop the calcium and keep the fiber, but frankly, I'm tired of taking my BP almost every day, so I'm done for now.
Other conclusions:
Eating large amounts of spinach every single day didn't make a significant difference.
Magnesium may have had an effect, but it wasn't clearcut. For a while I was taking 530 mg per day (120% of the RDA), but I realized it was making me very thirsty at night, and it interfered with my sleep.
"Meditation Lite," that is, deep breathing, learning to clear my mind seems to help. I usually do this while falling asleep, or if I wake in the night. It has helped significantly with sleep.
Note the general peaks in Jan/Feb of each year. One guess on this is that it's due to changes in vitamin D related to sun exposure. Winters are mild here, and my amount of exercise is pretty constant, but I get a lot less sun exposure in the winter. I've upped my vitamin D supplementation.
As I said, it's really hard to get clearcut results, but at least in these experiments I'm dealing with objective numbers (the BP) rather than a subjective evaluation of "How I feel."
So, based on all these experiments, these are the supplements I take every day:
1 Kirkland Mature Multi Multivitamin
1 Radiance Calcium/Magnesium/Zinc:
1 Safeway Vitamin c 500 mg
1 NOW Magnesium 200 mg
Every evening I take a low-dose aspirin
I take 1-2 TBS of psyllium husks each day in smoothies
I eat 1/4 to 1/2 cup of flax seed meal each day (in smoothies or flax seed meal bread)
I continue to eat a very low carb diet and exercise a lot.
http://www.early-retirement.org/forums/f38/blood-pressure-experiments-and-stategies-60360.html
I've been measuring my blood pressure in a standard way for almost two years now, experimenting with different supplements, strategies, etc. I'll write things up in more detail at some point, but here are my initial conclusions.
First, I found that BP experiments are hard, because measurements are so variable (partly due to the monitor), and it may take weeks or months to see the results of a particular treatment. To deal with that I measured frequently, and tried to keep treatments constant for a long period.
My approach was to initially hit the BP problem with everything I could think of (low salt, high potassium, magnesium, meditation, etc.), then eliminate things to see what caused the BP to rise again. I started the shotgun approach on Jan 26, 2012.
The data points represent an average of the last five BP measurements. Thus one unusually high or low measurement can cause a spike.
To reduce variability, I'd always measure right after waking in the morning, and would wait exactly 1.5 minutes after sitting down to take the measurement. This overestimates my BP -- if I do it later in the day, waiting a full five minutes, I usually get a lower value.
As you can see, I got the BP down significantly. Some of the subsequent ups and downs are related to eliminating or adding something, but there's a lot of unrelated variability.
Drastically reducing sodium and increasing potassium had a pretty clear effect, and following Jan 2012 I have continued that.
Calcium was an interesting factor. For me, calcium is extremely constipating, so I was eager to stop taking calcium. But whenever I'd stop taking it, the BP seemed to go up.
It may not be the calcium that's causing this: I realized that whenever I took calcium, I'd increase my fiber intake (with psyllium and flax) as well. So I think there's a good chance that it's the fiber that causing BP to drop rather than (or in conjunction) the calcium. Starting 2/13/13 I restarted the calcium and really increased fiber.
The obvious next experiment is to drop the calcium and keep the fiber, but frankly, I'm tired of taking my BP almost every day, so I'm done for now.
Other conclusions:
Eating large amounts of spinach every single day didn't make a significant difference.
Magnesium may have had an effect, but it wasn't clearcut. For a while I was taking 530 mg per day (120% of the RDA), but I realized it was making me very thirsty at night, and it interfered with my sleep.
"Meditation Lite," that is, deep breathing, learning to clear my mind seems to help. I usually do this while falling asleep, or if I wake in the night. It has helped significantly with sleep.
Note the general peaks in Jan/Feb of each year. One guess on this is that it's due to changes in vitamin D related to sun exposure. Winters are mild here, and my amount of exercise is pretty constant, but I get a lot less sun exposure in the winter. I've upped my vitamin D supplementation.
As I said, it's really hard to get clearcut results, but at least in these experiments I'm dealing with objective numbers (the BP) rather than a subjective evaluation of "How I feel."
So, based on all these experiments, these are the supplements I take every day:
1 Kirkland Mature Multi Multivitamin
1 Radiance Calcium/Magnesium/Zinc:
Ca 333 mg (calcium carbonate and calcium gluconate)
Mg 133 mg (magnesium oxide and magnesium gluconate)
Zn 8 mg (zinc gluconate and zinc citrate)
1 Safeway Vitamin D3 1000 IUMg 133 mg (magnesium oxide and magnesium gluconate)
Zn 8 mg (zinc gluconate and zinc citrate)
1 Safeway Vitamin c 500 mg
1 NOW Magnesium 200 mg
Every evening I take a low-dose aspirin
I take 1-2 TBS of psyllium husks each day in smoothies
I eat 1/4 to 1/2 cup of flax seed meal each day (in smoothies or flax seed meal bread)
I continue to eat a very low carb diet and exercise a lot.