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Wait a minute. How do you drink coffee without pulling down the mask? Are you not supposed to drink coffee in public there?
Wait a minute. How do you drink coffee without pulling down the mask? Are you not supposed to drink coffee in public there?
I don’t know how to start a new topic but am wondering what ideas others have about a post-CV celebration. In our case am starting discussions with family about a survivors family reconnection and reunion; immediate family with spouses and grandchildren- all expenses paid (blow that dough) long weekend or similar event. Goal is to lift spirits, create hope for the future and have a bit of fun. May also clear a bucket list trip (Lake Louise) if the family chooses it.
I did not wear a mask last night when I went to the store and I probably won't. If I cough, I'll cough into my sleeve or shirt / jacket and maintain proper distancing as best as possible.
It's silly to think that it wouldn't help at least some. Sure, it might not be a 100%, but even at a lower rate there's going to be a benefit. Every little bit helps.
My friend took this photo in NYC yesterday:I think that very soon, many establishments will not let you in without a mask. Stores are on the front lines and I don’t even want to think about what would happen if our food supply gets disrupted much more than it already has. If the stores don’t mandate it, I’m sure it won’t be long before people are actually confrontational about it.
"These are not the droids you are looking for."This is one of the things that upsets me greatly. At first, they said, no need to wear a mask. It won’t help you to not get the virus. But, where were the people telling us that wearing a mask would minimize the spread?
This is one of the things that upsets me greatly. At first, they said, no need to wear a mask. It won’t help you to not get the virus. But, where were the people telling us that wearing a mask would minimize the spread? I would have much rather worn a mask every time I left the house than to have the entire country grounded. I have no figures to back this up, but I bet a strategy of work from home if you can, wear a mask any time you leave your house and anyone in a high risk category stays home would have been as good or better than what we ended up doing and continue to do. Masks should be as mandatory right now as the stay at home orders. Much less of an intrusion on liberty than being told to stay home.
The WHO, CDC and Surgeon General deceived us a bit to try to keep the mask supply in the hands of health professionals.
Unfortunately, their deception has caused lost trust and anger.
I knew from the beginning that they were lying to us about masks. And with the TP hording clearly in view, I knew why they were doing it. I agree it totally breaks the trust and they should not have done it.
I would agree with this to a point. But I think the general line of thinking prior to last week was that masks will not protect you from getting the virus, and if you are sick you should not go out in public anyway so no need to use a mask.
What was less well known was how many asymptomatic people were spreading the virus. So while the initial thinking was to inform the public that masks won’t protect them, the latest thinking is that masks will protect everyone around you if you are asymptomatic but still contagious.
I wonder, if wearing a face shield will be equally or even better than wearing a home-made mask? After all, face shield can effectively block a larger area of incoming or outgoing droplets, since no matter how tight the masks are, your face is still exposed outside of the masks.
I knew from the beginning that they were lying to us about masks.
That's why you need to understand who's saying it an who they're trying to protect. Are they trying to protect "society" on average, or protect each individual?I think initially there were some who were underestimating the spread caused by asymptomatic people, yes. And yet, for a long time there were contradictions like:
* Do not wear a mask in public unless you are sick.
* When you go out, assume you have the virus and act accordingly.
That's why you need to understand who's saying it an who they're trying to protect. Are they trying to protect "society" on average, or protect each individual?
To me, this is similar to the health guidelines that say don't get tested for "disease X" because it might end up costing "the system" and you more money. For example, there was (is?) a push to have men not get screened for prostate cancer. I ignored it. What's good for "society" (on average) isn't necessarily what's good for me personally. Where society might not be willing to pay for the fallout from false positives, second opinions, thoughtful exploration of options, I am.
IMO the asymptomatic transmission was well known early on in reports from China, and later from Diamond Princess results - certainly the common initial 2 days of no symptoms while being contagious (testing positive) was well known. There has been a lot of discussion in the media throughout that time. Also people being sick with super mild symptoms easily assumed to be a simple cold. But the CDC chose to downplay it. Was it because they didn’t know what to recommend? Or fear of causing panic?I would agree with this to a point. But I think the general line of thinking prior to last week was that masks will not protect you from getting the virus, and if you are sick you should not go out in public anyway so no need to use a mask.
What was less well known was how many asymptomatic people were spreading the virus. So while the initial thinking was to inform the public that masks won’t protect them, the latest thinking is that masks will protect everyone around you if you are asymptomatic but still contagious.
All of this makes me question why the government took so long to ask the public to wear masks. Why did they focus on telling us not to wear masks since in their convoluted reasoning they would only work for medical personnel. Most of us saw through the double speak and went out and bought masks creating the exact situation the government was afraid of: not enough masks for healthcare providers.
I'm glad that these designers are being so resourceful. I think it's great. However, do we not have scientists in this country? Why didn't the government put their minds to providing the knowledge on how to make adequate masks at home. The government shouldn't just tell people to wrap a bandana around their face. They should use science, find the right materials and tell people what to use.
Good post. I'm emphasizing the Czech part. Other countries may have an ego problem, well I'll include the U.S. in that. The sweet video the Czech's put out says a lot. I'm 1/2 Czech. Since visiting last June, going to museums and on historical tours, I became to understand the suffering they endured through many adverse situations. They are a humble people. And are grateful for their blessings.As for do masks help, lets go back to the Czech Republic. They've been mandated to wear a mask/face covering in public since March 18th. That's about 2.5 weeks, which might start to show measurable data.
From the JH website (I tried to create a table, but can't figure it out):
Czech: Population: 10.65mil, Confirmed Cases: 4,475, Deaths: 45, Rate: 1.39%
It looks promising for Czech.
https://totallythebomb.com/blue-shop-towels-may-be-the-best-material-to-use-when-making-face-masks
All of this makes me question why the government took so long to ask the public to wear masks. Why did they focus on telling us not to wear masks since in their convoluted reasoning they would only work for medical personnel. Most of us saw through the double speak and went out and bought masks creating the exact situation the government was afraid of: not enough masks for healthcare providers.
+1 I have more than a little experience in dealing with microbes although you only need a smattering of knowledge in logic to know they were blowing smoke up your shorts. I saw through all the BS spewed by the CDC and have lost all confidence in them AND the Federal Government.
Cheers!
Do Asian countries only use N95 or better masks?