One family member actually got herself off the Suboxone after years of trying by slowly reducing the dosage over time. She could not get insurance to pay the $400+ per month prescription fee and $100 per month required doctor visits. But she got there and is doing quite well.
That’s fantastic. There are certainly success stories out there. But how many people can afford the $6,000+/yr out of pocket like that for years on end? If substance use is a disease, then why aren’t insurance companies required to cover treatment? They cover Norvasc for blood pressure or metformin for diabetes or Prozac for depression but not Suboxone for opiate dependence.
That's a lot of houses.
I thought about posting that exact same photo last evening. So, Carfentanil would be 1/100th of that lethal dose.
Seems odd. The generic Suboxone (Buprenorphine / Naloxone) shows as a tier 1 drug (low copay) under my insurance and that you should be able to get it for $50/mo even if insurance doesn't cover. Suboxone brand name is tier 3. I don't take it, but checked out of curiosity after reading the posts here.
This was before the Affordable Care Act (1990's). I paid the freight for much of this and later on I believe she got some coverage after she married. It was my daughter, and now she is 44 and doing very well. It's a long story and I lost one older daughter to drugs at 22 years of age due to drugs.
As I mentioned earlier, my only sibling, my older brother, died of an overdose in 1987. He was 28. And we dealt with the drug issues for probably 10 years before that. The theft, the wrecked cars, the hospitalizations. The whole deal.
That's great if there is a cheaper generic now. It's been almost 7 years since I left my practice and haven't really had much contact with the treatment field since then.
Really.??....maybe you are not aware that drugs made to create addiction have been a problem for thousands of years on this planet?
I didn't realize the cost comment was from quite a few years back. Looks like Subonxone was available as a generic first in 2018, so I know that changes things.
That’s good to hear. Hopefully more insurers are starting to cover treatment.
So you think everyone with an addiction just needs to die and all will be right in the world? Do you realize that there are an estimated 380 million people in the world with alcoholism? Would you like to start by eliminating them and then move onto the people with other substance use disorders? The planet will certainly be a lot less crowded by the time you’re done. Heck that’s more than the entire population of the US. And that’s just alcohol.
You, my friend, have the distinction of being the only person here on my ignore list.
Wow! Maybe if we remove people with cancer from the genetic pool, there will be no cancer. Or short people! Let's remove short people from the gene pool, then we'll have tall people. Brilliant!
Yes. Mild spoiler about the movie "Leaving Las Vegas". That's basically the theme of the movie. It is a difficult movie to watch, but quite real about alcoholism, and those who know they are going down a path of slow suicide. The lead character was very aware.
Your counterpoint is a good one, and that's why it's so difficult. We see that tension in a lot of public health measures, such as mental health commitments. Exactly when and where do the needs and desires of the many outweigh the needs and desires of the few or the one? I struggle to find a principled way to decide that question.
