Popeye
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Jack’s the putting Jedi! Sort of like this one. Vader goes golfing. Lol!
https://youtu.be/81fwEmP2CKY
https://youtu.be/81fwEmP2CKY
After battling for 17 holes in the Round of 16 at the U.S. Amateur, golfer Segundo Oliva Pinto saw his second shot land in a bunker on the 18th hole. That’s where his bid for the most prestigious amateur title in golf would end.
Tied with Tyler Strafaci going into the final hole at Bandon Dunes, Oliva Pinto ended up automatically losing the 18th hole when his caddie made the grave error of hopping into the bunker and touching the sand, apparently to test its texture.
As it turns out, you can’t do that. ...
I might agree if the caddy had simply stepped into the trap, but when he reached down with his hand and played with the sand (clearly shown in the video, which the caddy tried to deny WHY?) - what other purpose would he have for doing that than to share with the player? We don't know if they talked to each other or not, and golf rules shouldn't require officials to split hairs like that. The caddy broke a rule that has been in place for at least 55 years. Horrible the player lost, but golf has always been a sport where you'd better know and follow the rules. YMMVHere's another example of a stupid rule of golf:
https://sports.yahoo.com/us-amateur-caddie-error-bunker-segundo-oliva-pinto-golf-015644514.html
While I agree that the caddie shouldn't have done it, so what if the caddie touched the sand if the caddie never communicated the result to the player! Isolate the caddie from the player for that shot to ensure that the player doesn't benefit from the caddie's indiscretion.
I think if I was the opponent and absent that penalty the guy would have won I would intentionally sign an incorrect scorecard to be disqualified and give him the win.
I might agree if the caddy had simply stepped into the trap, but when he reached down with his hand and played with the sand (clearly shown in the video, which the caddy tried to deny WHY?) -
two shot penalty or loss of hole in match play
Then why did he do it? And why did he try to deny it? Clearly dishonest...From the press accounts it is pretty clear that the caddie had not talked to the player... the player was up looking at the green when the caddie was in the trap and was caught touching the sand.
Not to be disrespectful, but where in the rules does it say it's OK for the caddie to test the sand as long as he/she doesn't share with the player.Dunno. Could have just been a moment of stupidity/not thinking and then realizing it wasn't allowed and denying it so his player wasn't unfairly penalized.... could be that he was really testing the sand intending to relay his thoughts to the player.
Doing so violated the USGA's Rule 12.2b, which outlines restrictions on touching the sand in a bunker and notes a player can't "deliberately touch sand in the bunker with his or her hand, a club or rake or any other object in an effort to test the condition of the surface to obtain information for the next stroke."
Rule 10.3c states that a player is responsible for his caddie's actions.
Afterward, Pinto said he was shocked when he was called over by the rules official and notified of what happened. Asked if his caddie explained to him what happened, Pinto told Golf Channel: "He didn't say anything. But at this point it doesn't really matter. What happened, happened. He can say anything, but it won't change what happened."
Not to be disrespectful, but where in the rules does it say it's OK for the caddie to test the sand as long as he/she doesn't share with the player. ...
Sorry, it’s a simple disagreement and I wasn’t trying to be contentious. My point was it doesn’t make any difference if he talked to the player as you noted. I don’t think it’s a stupid rule, it’s not new or obscure.Where did I say that it was OK for the caddie to test the sand? In fact, I said just the opposite... "I agree that the caddie shouldn't have done it".
So you get an F for reading comprehension.
I just said that it is a stupid rule.
Speaking of golf, after a 10+ year layoff (had both hips replaced during that time span), I am going back to playing golf.
I hit a 1/2 bucket of balls Wednesday and seemed to still have a swing.
I have been playing since I was a 12 year old caddie in 1955 with moderate skill. My best year, handicap wise, was in the 1980's when I held on to a solid 10. I have belonged to private clubs in California and in Texas, but no more memberships.
Next Tuesday a friend and I tee off at 9:20 AM at a local course in Conroe, Texas (Panorama Golf Club: https://www.panoramagctx.com/). My clubs are pretty old, but not as old as me! It should be fun, but it will be HOT (90's F).
Speaking of golf, after a 10+ year layoff (had both hips replaced during that time span), I am going back to playing golf.
I hit a 1/2 bucket of balls Wednesday and seemed to still have a swing.
I have been playing since I was a 12 year old caddie in 1955 with moderate skill. My best year, handicap wise, was in the 1980's when I held on to a solid 10. I have belonged to private clubs in California and in Texas, but no more memberships.
Next Tuesday a friend and I tee off at 9:20 AM at a local course in Conroe, Texas (Panorama Golf Club: https://www.panoramagctx.com/). My clubs are pretty old, but not as old as me! It should be fun, but it will be HOT (90's F).
Speaking of golf, after a 10+ year layoff (had both hips replaced during that time span), I am going back to playing golf.
... Next Tuesday a friend and I tee off at 9:20 AM at a local course in Conroe, Texas (Panorama Golf Club: https://www.panoramagctx.com/). My clubs are pretty old, but not as old as me! It should be fun, but it will be HOT (90's F).
How can 4.9 be a 6?
index versus course handicap - it happens
this may be one thing we can cavalierly attribute to rounding
Ok, so the 4.5 index converted to a 5 course handicap is one stroke different from a 4.9 index converted to a 6 course handicap... as you say, due to rounding... and then 80% of the one-stroke diffence rounds to one... I guess I could see that happening but the poster should have been clearer.
How can 4.9 be a 6?
If you have the GHIN app you can lookup the course handicap for you and your competitor for the course and tees that you are playing... I suspect that you then take 80% of the course handicaps, rounded and take the difference.
But are you really complaining so much about 1 stroke? If you lost 3&1 then he had you dormie after 16, right? It sounds like either you had an off day or he had a good day and you likely would have lost anyway.... just congratulate him and move on.