There may well be a case to be made for increasing tax burden on 'the rich' (however are defined); but the above logic is faulty. See generally
Martin Niemöller: They came for the Jews then they came for me
The Hitler card has been played.
EOT
There may well be a case to be made for increasing tax burden on 'the rich' (however are defined); but the above logic is faulty. See generally
Martin Niemöller: They came for the Jews then they came for me
Two reasons that I can see.
1) there are many more min wage workers than multi-million CEOs
2) It's consistent - either raising min wage OR limiting CEO pay is a move towards socialism. So, if one is against that trend, one is against both.
Me, I'm open to the min wage increase debate. I'm not sure if it is a good thing or not.
I'm in favor of more shareholder input on CEO pay, I think the BOD situation keeps it from being a totally free market.
-ERD50
Two reasons that I can see.
1) there are many more min wage workers than multi-million CEOs
seriously?
Having a bad day Robert?
I think it's a stretch to use the "first they came for" in a discussion about taxes and CEO compensation.
I think Godwin just walked in...
520,000 people were making minimum wage in 2006 1
"The average CEO of a large U.S. company made roughly $10.8 million last year" 2
If you cut their salary in half, you'd only need 519 CEOs to pay for the increase in minimum wage. That doesn't sound so bad.
I agree with Taleb. Successful CEOs are based on survivorship bias.
1) Who's Afraid of a Higher Minimum Wage? - washingtonpost.com
2) CEO-to-worker pay appears to narrow - Aug. 29, 2007
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]2005 IRS Collections Data[/FONT]Number of
Returns
(000) AGI
(000,000) Income
Taxes
Paid
(000,000) Group's %
Share of
Total AGI Group's %
Share of
Total Taxes Group's
Avg. Tax
Rate (%) Income
Floor for
Group All
Taxpayers132,612
7,507,958
934,703
100.00
100.00
12.45
(NA)
Top 1%1,326
1,591,711
368,132
21.20
39.38
23.13
364,657
Top 5%6,631
2,683,934
557,759
35.75
59.67
20.78
145,283
Top 10%13,261
3,487,010
657,085
46.44
70.30
18.84
103,912
Top 25%33,153
5,069,455
803,772
67.52
85.99
15.86
62,068
Top 50%66,306
6,544,824
906,028
87.17
96.93
13.84
30,881
Bottom 50%66,306
963,134
28,675
12.83
3.07
* 2.98
(NA)
* The average tax rate for the bottom 50% is drawn from a related IRS spreadsheet.
Earlier I said top 5% pay 70% of total----it is actually 60% of total they pay. It is the top 10% who pay70% of total taxes. My bad, but the point is still the same. The top 5% or the top 105 are already paying more than their share---in fact one could say they are paying more than their *fair* share, could one not?
Honestly, I don't know whjere some of you folks get your economic ideas from.
Robert are you in this income group?
Why does this topic make you so ?
I'm doubtful the wealthy (extreme top 1-2%) pay their fair share - or what they are supposed to pay - either personally or via their corporations. A big percentage of corps avoid paying any taxes.
gee...i went away for a while and stuff happened...thanks everyone for adding to the discussion - and bright eyed you were excellent in parrying the relentless attacks by those defenders of the wealthy elites.....
Robert - maybe it was just my computer, but your previous 2 posts were scattered all over my screen and couldn't read it. This latest one is very well laid out.
Top 1% of income earners:
Paid 39% of all income taxes collected
Had effective tax rate of 23%
Earned 21% if total income of all taxpayers
Bottom 50% of income earners:
Paid 3% of total income taxes collected
Had effective tax rate of 2.98%
Earned 13% of total income
I'm not sure what your point is - is it that you feel it's not fair that everyone isn't paying the same tax rate and your against the progressive tax rates we have.
There are many ways to interpret facts. You mention only the numbers that support your opinion.
If a guy makes $10M/year and pays 23% in taxes he still has $7.7M left. Do you really think that it would be a bad thing if he had to pay say $3.3M and had to live on only $6.7M/year?
I think that an upper tax bracket in the 39-44% range is reasonable. I wouldn't go much above that.
There are many ways to interpret facts. You mention only the numbers that support your opinion.
If a guy makes $10M/year and pays 23% in taxes he still has $7.7M left. Do you really think that it would be a bad thing if he had to pay say $3.3M and had to live on only $6.7M/year?
I think that an upper tax bracket in the 39-44% range is reasonable. I wouldn't go much above that.
Robert's level of anger at this topic can't match mine
Doubtful that people pay their "fair share"? Why don't we just let you and the other leftists decide how much I should pay?
We're already paying too much in taxes, much of what is stolen from us in taxes is wasted anyway.
I think a good way to show your sincerity would be for you to start by paying more taxes this year than you owe. That way we will know you're serious. I'll just go on paying less than my "fair share"
I mention the available IRS data. I form my opinion from the data.
If all you have is an ad hominom attack, you must be lacking for good arguments "from the available data".