Now I know why you and ____ keep repeating yourselves over and over and over, the driver monitoring hash went on ad nausea (I'm was guilty then, not any more) at page 27 almost three years ago. ...
It sure would help if you didn't say things like 'some posters', or blank out a name like you did above. What's with all the ambiguity? If someone said something you don't agree with, counter it directly. What's the problem?
"Page 27" doesn't help me - users can configure the number of posts per page, I have no page 27 for this thread (IIRC I'm set for 100 posts per page or whatever the max is, easier to do a 'find' w/o going back page by page). Got a post #?
NW-Bound certainly knows his stuff, he's no internet poser. He's related his work on an actual auto-pilot application! Disregard him at your own risk.
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Driver monitoring will help with accidents where inattention is primary. But the primary cause of many accidents has less to do with inattention. If you're roaring drunk, have poor visibility, are speeding like a maniac - inattention is far down the list. ...
But I know you'll remain unconvinced. No worries. ...
I addressed that, but you just ignore it? If what I said has no merit, spell it out.
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And your heady "logic" statement speaks volumes.
Then provide a counter to it. How can that simple logic not be true? What am I missing?
Maybe it would help to succinctly state what your thoughts are on SDC, for reference. Maybe it's got lost in a forest/trees way? Here's what I think you are saying (and please correct and add as needed):
What I hear you say is, people make mistakes when driving, or don't react fast/well enough. When SDC is better than humans, it will save lives.
OK, that's basic logic and it's fine as far as it goes. But IMO, it lacks any meaningful context. When, and what do we do until it is good enough to take over for a driver?
What has you so upset about the idea the we keep the driver engaged while we improve SDC?
I don't think you responded to Elon's predictions being totally blown out of the water. If Tesla is at baby steps four years after they said it would take two years to go cross country w/o a person on board, doesn't that give some indication that full SDC is very, very far out? Are you discounting Tesla's work, but counting on Waymo or others? If so, maybe we should start a thread specific to Waymo?
If I take a look into a blurry crystal ball, here's how I envision the
next step in 'full' SDC (driver can drop all attention): There may be sections of highways approved for SDC mode. Maybe there would be an app that you need to be linked into, and that app would allow/deny full SDC depending on conditions. Clear weather, no unusual events, etc - you are cleared for SDC. Something happens and it alerts you, if you don't take the wheel, it tells the car to pull over.
Because obviously, full SDC is easier under certain defined conditions. So those are the first where it will be enabled. We don't have to wait for it to be good enough to deal with snow, road construction, cross traffic, etc. If it can perform well under good conditions, then let's start using it under those conditions.
Every tech I can think of has progressed along similar lines. It doesn't go from zero-to-hero overnight, it's a progression, and often is used differently during the progression.
-ERD50