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Depends....
No, still wearing jockeys.
Depends....
Ooooooooo.....No, still wearing jockeys.
Well that's just your opinion.
This opens quite a can of worms...
Is there an objective truth?
Can we know it?
Who is capable of deciding what is objectively "wrong"?
When is one informed enough?
Is it possible to have a valid opinion affirming the existence of devine beings that do not manifest themselves in any measurable way?
It does seem like a number of threads here have degraded into philosophical pi$$ing contests recently.
Of course, that's just my opinion, too.
I still maintain that morality is a social construct and our sense of morality likely evolved along with us. There certainly are tensions between peoples, especially when resources are scarce. I did not mean to imply that we are naturally "good" nor do I believe we are naturally "bad." I acknowledge that my post was way over simplified. My only point is that I do not believe in a god given kind of morality. I am not surprised by the ugly things people do. But I am also not surprised by the good people do.
I still maintain that morality is a social construct and our sense of morality likely evolved along with us. There certainly are tensions between peoples, especially when resources are scarce. I did not mean to imply that we are naturally "good" nor do I believe we are naturally "bad." I acknowledge that my post was way over simplified. My only point is that I do not believe in a god given kind of morality. I am not surprised by the ugly things people do. But I am also not surprised by the good people do.We may not disagree as much as it appears on the surface.
Social behaviors are complicated, with many factors effecting how people behave. But you can see precursors to human morality in social animals. Chimps who go against the norm in their group exhibit fear. Plenty of animals exhibit altuistic behavior. (Food sharing, dolphins rescuing drowning animals from other species, dogs adopting orphaned animals. . . ) And animals cheat and hide bad behavior from others in their social groups just like we do.
Hey hey hey, that's what led to the creation of the "Soapbox" forum. Let's not go there again.Maybe there ought to be a separate forum for philosophical topics. Then those members who dislike such topics could put the whole thing on "ignore".
This one has certainly taken a philosophical turn. Is that something you really find objectionable? Obviously some members are interested, or there would not be "a number" of threads that veer off in that direction.
Maybe there ought to be a separate forum for philosophical topics. Then those members who dislike such topics could put the whole thing on "ignore".
LOL! I agree 100% with everything you have said here, the quoted part being only the most salient. I would say that it is almost being legislated and judicated into our culture that there are no legitimate discrimations. To discriminate is to harbor prejudice, according to today's ethos.
In fact this is ridiculous. The way any system improves its functioning is to to high-grade. To high grade, a system or society must be able to make discriminations between what is better and what is worse. Once a system stops this process, progress stops and like the USA today we descend into a free-for-all of idiocy, with every part of our culture reaching for the bottom, and in America the bottom is pretty low.
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I'm sorry but no we disagree completely . You are artificially imposing a human concept (altruism) on a non human animal and then ascribing the action to another human concept. That is was evolutionary biologists call a "just so" story aka the ad hoc fallacy. We cannot even ascribe altruism or cheating or bad behavior to human behaviors in cultures that are totally foreign to us.
More importantly ascribing behavior to evolution is fraught with its own dangers. Lions hunt in prides. Was that evolved or learned? Is it passed on by genes or by cubs learning from elders? I've watched Cheetah mothers "teach" cheeta cubs by attacking baby warthogs. Cheetah can't eat warthog but the young are just right as training dummies. No Warthogs, they use something else.
We can "select" animals for various qualities that we think of as behaviors by breeding but those qualities have to be there in the first place. sled dogs and race horses did not evolve those behaviors.
We found that a few horses like to race and we selected for that characteristic, just like we bred for big or docile or black or whatever.
So please, Culture is more than adequate to explain all the complex human behaviors. We have very big brains and we use them. Humans have spread all over the world in a time period far too short to allow the kind of evolution you suggest.
Perhaps the problem is my own pragmatism. When I compare the thread title and the intent of the OP to the latest post and cannot find a strong connection, I find it annoying. And, no, I am not going to get into a pi$$ing contest with anyone over the validity of my annoyance.
End of rant.
I wonder if the railroad forum stays on track...
You'd think that this forum's members would have to be pretty functional to post here, too.I wonder if the railroad forum stays on track...
What great thread. It's like volleyball.
That train thing you describe reminds me of Ham Radio. Lord Have Mercy, and deliver us from boredom, Amen.
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And that's just on this board...I am amused at my shock over someone having more than 12,000 posts. Now I sit here with more than 12,000 posts.
And that's just on this board...
What great thread. It's like volleyball.
That train thing you describe reminds me of Ham Radio. Lord Have Mercy, and deliver us from boredom, Amen.
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My DH is a Ham Radio enthusiast. Coolest nerds on the planet, IMHO
He loves stuff like this....
Purron, I think it is wonderful how many different types of people there are, and for every type there is enjoyment and satisfaction to be found.
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Mmmmm...this quote sure brings us close to...dare I say...bacon...Thanks. I just wish he could dance. Most hams are not so good at that
Mmmmm...this quote sure brings us close to...dare I say...bacon...