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Old 05-25-2006, 06:12 PM   #61
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Re: Do you think that the folks that followed Hitler were truly unique human beings?

Dude, no way am I getting any deeper in this again! *

For the record, I was a critic of religion/agnostic, now I'm a Christian, some of my closest friends (including the best man at my wedding) are atheist/agnostic, all the way to fundamentalists who think I'm going to burn because I don't interpret the Bible literally. *We all seem to get along fine. *But I often hear statements on line, at parties, at work, etc. that if you sustituted the word "Christian" with Black, Mexican, etc. would get someone tossed from the room for being a bigot. *I think comparing people of faith to drug users is a bit harsh. *You don't get your license suspended for driving home from church. *

Nonetheless, I vehemently support your right to express yourself as you see fit. *
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Re: Do you think that the folks that followed Hitler were truly unique human bei
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As an informative side note, this shows that a Bush-loving war-monger can be an ardent atheist, and a Bush-hating liberal can get upset at mockery of religion. The world is not black and white, no matter which "side" you're on.....
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And that's why I wish we weren't stuck in molds. Who's the liberal, though? I'm a McCain fan!
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Coincidence? I think not.. *:P
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And that's why I wish we weren't stuck in molds. Who's the liberal, though? I'm a McCain fan!
Shirley? I thought you said you were Christian, not one of them metaphysical types.

(Edit: Oh, McCain, not MacLaine)
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Dude, no way am I getting any deeper in this again!

For the record, I was a critic of religion/agnostic, now I'm a Christian, some of my closest friends (including the best man at my wedding) are atheist/agnostic, all the way to fundamentalists who think I'm going to burn because I don't interpret the Bible literally. We all seem to get along fine.
Yeah, same here, and I figure that in real life most fairly normal people get along just fine and don't really care whether their friends and neighbors believe in Jesus, or magic dust-sprinkling invisible fairies, or nothing at all.

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I think comparing people of faith to drug users is a bit harsh.
I don't know about that -- at least drugs exist..... oh, sh*t, don't get started again, don't get started again!

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Nonetheless, I vehemently support your right to express yourself as you see fit.
Great! Then we agree on something, and it's enough not to worry about this stuff.


P.S. Oops! Sorry about calling you a liberal... I wasn't sure what to put there, I was going to add question marks... but, oh well, can't bat 1.000
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The "atheists/Jews/urban hipsters are denying us Christmas!" crowd remind me of the "Jews are murdering our Lord in the form of a wafer" crowd--they scare me.

I'm a secular humanist--except when my daughter is working in Africa. Then I carry a gold angel charm and meditate, ask God if he's listening and would he mind looking out for her, and ask Shiva (though my dancing Shiva statue) for further assistance. Now that I've added flute-playing Krishna and smiling Ganesh statues since traveling to India, I will most likely see if they grant favors to supplicants as well. But the way, I love Jesus--the philosopher.

When religion is practiced in public instead of in private, I fear it will spill over into spectacle (let's all watch this heart being cut out for our benefit!), a mob scene (let's tear those heretics limb from limb!), or at least rabid sports fans...or American Idol worshipers.
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My parents are ardent liberals, and they are my heros, I'm not insulted by the label, I just can't honestly wear it.

I don't want a mixing of religion and state/politics. That's exactly when things get ugly.

As far as drugs go, I left those behind in college!
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Its a description, not a name!!!
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I'm agnostic... Gesundheit... :P

I don't think anyone has the answer...
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Hmm, emacs vs. Hitler.

Choice seems pretty clear-cut to me.

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I'm entering this rather late and also against my better judgement but here goes.

If tommorow I decide to kill 50 people and then say that I'm doing it because they weren't Christian and they deserved it, are the 50 murdered people chalked up to "death caused by religion"? My guess is that a lot people would categorize this as such. Therein lies the problem. I think the vast majority of Christians would agree that this would be not be a very Christian thing to do.

Religion is often used by people to justify horrific acts, but that does not mean that those horrific acts are sanctioned by the religion.
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war is a means to get power. power is a means to satisfy greed. greed arises from fear and fear has its basis in survival which arises from existance.

that we exist, that we require food, that we gather enough, that we assure survival, that we war.

it's about 200,000 years since we were monkeys yet only a few hundred years between feudalism where we were flogged to personal web sites where we blog.

relatively speaking, we've come a long way in a short time. sort of like a rubberband that's been stretched forever then finally snapped.
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A good point, I think we've come a long, long way in the right direction in the last half Millenia. Those that see the world going to hell in a handbasket are just taking too narrow a view, IMHO.
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Yes indeed.* Excellent analysis of your own post!* But, of course, you have the right to say it and I support that.
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Yes indeed. Excellent analysis of your own post! But, of course, you have the right to say it and I support that.
Hey, doesn't that describe pretty much your whole oeuvre?
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Here's an illustrative map:

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Hey, doesn't that describe pretty much your whole oeuvre?*
Ouch! First the verbal onslaught. Then the dreaded bat swinging emoticon. Uncle! Uncle!
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