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Old 08-27-2009, 10:51 AM   #41
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One thing for sure, I don't want co-ed washrooms after hearing what Fuego had to say about the washroom at work.

At my the last surgery center I worked at we had a co-ed locker room . It could get interesting .
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Old 08-27-2009, 10:53 AM   #42
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All the years I lived in Austin, I'm pretty sure topless was legal for both sexes. Someone occasionally made a big deal about it. And some folks would go check out the views at Barton Springs pool.
I thought the viewing was much better at Hippie Hollow...
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There are likely as many women in the armed forces who want to go into combat as there are men who don't want to--easy enough to swap them out. And I do not understand why women don't have to register for the selective service.
ditto, although I suspect the main reason for the latter is that congress/senate is "not comfortable with the idea of women in combat" even though it happens all the time now. I suspect it's just a matter of time before every young person has to register.

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Well, that's because people went bottomless there too. Quite a view sometimes when we were sailing the lake.

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There are likely as many women in the armed forces who want to go into combat as there are men who don't want to--easy enough to swap them out. And I do not understand why women don't have to register for the selective service.
True. Like police and firefighters, there will need to be some requirement of fitness and strength -- but gender itself should not be relevant to anyone who passes these standards.
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Here in Spain, women, by law,women must be at least 50% of the candidates presented by a political party running for office, of the freely appointed top echelons of pulbic services and ditto re public owned company boardroom members. Trying to do the same with private big corporations....
I´m not sure I agree with these mandatory quotas.
What do all of you think about this ¿rather extreme? sample of affirmative action?
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Here in Spain, women, by law,women must be at least 50% of the candidates presented by a political party running for office, of the freely appointed top echelons of pulbic services and ditto re public owned company boardroom members. Trying to do the same with private big corporations....
I´m not sure I agree with these mandatory quotas.
What do all of you think about this ¿rather extreme? sample of affirmative action?
This is surprising to me. Personally, I don't like mandatory quotas. Let the best man or woman win.
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Here in Spain, women, by law,women must be at least 50% of the candidates presented by a political party running for office, of the freely appointed top echelons of pulbic services and ditto re public owned company boardroom members. Trying to do the same with private big corporations....
I´m not sure I agree with these mandatory quotas.
What do all of you think about this ¿rather extreme? sample of affirmative action?
I think it sucks.
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Here in Spain, women, by law,women must be at least 50% of the candidates presented by a political party running for office, of the freely appointed top echelons of pulbic services and ditto re public owned company boardroom members. Trying to do the same with private big corporations....
I´m not sure I agree with these mandatory quotas.
What do all of you think about this ¿rather extreme? sample of affirmative action?
We should strive to make sure the social and educational opportunities are there for both men and women to pursue as they desire. We should not generally use quotas to enforce specific results. To do so is to assume that men and women are equally likely to be drawn to the same occupations, and while there is a lot of overlap, I think our "wiring" is just different enough that there's no way to ensure equality without gender discrimination (in both directions) based on qualifications.
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I don't think it is a good idea.

One of the biggest problems with these affirmative action programs is the stigma they leave for everyone in the "protected" category. The people who should be maddest about this policy are the talented, hard working, well qualified women who end up in a position of high responsibility. They would have gotten the job anyway based on their record of performance, but because of policies like these no one will ever know that for sure.

The flip side: If the pool of women candidates for a set of jobs is much smaller than the number of male candidates and yet half of the openings must still be filled by women, it's highly likely that the women picked are going to be less qualified and do a less satisfactory job than the men. When people see this poor performance in action (both inside the organization and outside the organization) it reinforces every negative stereotype that is out there--people won't blame the dumb policy, they blame the "dumb" women that they see every day.

All of this seems like the most sure-fire way to hobble women (or any other "favored" group) and prevent real progress.
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Count me in with all the posters before me. I did not know of this until now. Are there other European nations with this policy?
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There are likely as many women in the armed forces who want to go into combat as there are men who don't want to--easy enough to swap them out. And I do not understand why women don't have to register for the selective service.
If there is going to be a (potential) draft, it should include men and women.
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I don't think it is a good idea.

One of the biggest problems with these affirmative action programs is the stigma they leave for everyone in the "protected" category. The people who should be maddest about this policy are the talented, hard working, well qualified women who end up in a position of high responsibility. They would have gotten the job anyway based on their record of performance, but because of policies like these no one will ever know that for sure.
Bravo Bravo Bravo
I was not hired on a quota to the best of my knowledge, but it as h*ll sure felt like a fair number of others thought I was.
I avoided the Fed Women's Program site manager from the moment she suggested I dress for success, i.e. suit dresses and "nice" dresses.
I w*rked in a laboratory. The good guys (I was fortunate to have several really cool cow*rkers) and I cracked up at the thought of me wearing stuff like that in the lab.
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I´m not sure I agree with these mandatory quotas.
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I've always loved the upside down question mark, great equal invention, ¿why can't English be more like Spanish?
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I've always loved the upside down question mark, great equal invention, ¿why can't English be more like Spanish?
Cuppa: Don´t pay too much attention to my syntaxis. I´m not even sure I´ve expressed my doubts the right way!
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I've always loved the upside down question mark, great equal invention, ¿why can't English be more like Spanish?
Yeah, I love this too CuppaJoe!

Vincente, you are so often like a breath of fresh air. The direction this thread was going was really starting to bum me out. I was OK with the joking around, but there were some serious responses that were somewhat surprising and troubling to me.

My intent in starting this thread was simply to acknowledge that women were given the right to vote 89 years ago. Nothing more, nothing less. I also wanted to share the story of my Great Grandmother who participated in the suffragette movement so long ago in the great state of Kansas.

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Purron: You flatter me. But you probably know the quotation that says that flattery must be pretty thick before anybody objects to it..
Most of my posts are self-serving. They are, in part, aimed at trying to get a real sense of what you Americans think about things as opposed to our way of thinking. That can explain any gaffes on my part for which I apologize.
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Purron, I thought I was helping by pointing out a novel use to keep the day fresh and interesting with the topless day--I was just kidding, though.

But I, too, appreciate what your great grandmother and others did for our rights to vote!
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