Honda Very Disappointing

[freedomatlast]

I would expect a a greatly reduced engine life with this issue.

With that much fuel getting into the oil, most likely, the cylinder walls are getting washed down which will lead to increased wear on the rings and cylinder walls, potentially causing oil burning in due time.

Also, with today's low viscosity oils, it's hard to imagine how thin this oil is with gas thinning it out even more. This could potentially lead to main and rod bearing failure in due time.

With the precision to which today's computer controlled fuel injection systems can precisely meter the amount of fuel the engine needs, there's more to this issue than just a reprogrammed fuel map is going to solve. Sounds more like a major design issue.

I'd unload the pig while it's still worth something and move on with a Rav4 or Crosstrek. Take the financial hit now and avoid the greater financial pain plus major aggravation later.

 

[Chuckanut]

It looks like Honda may be working on developing a case study for a Business School text book on how a company can ruin its reputation with one swift stroke of idiocy.

How a business handles problems is one of the most important factors in how they are viewed by consumers.

 

[Big_Hitter]

what? This isn't about forgetting to check the oil, it's about checking the oil and finding it overfull, and contaminated with gasoline.

This isn't unique to my car, this is universal among this model, in the US, Canada, and China.

In China, the Chinese government MADE Honda recall all of these cars.

what happened to the subaru?

 

[Big_Hitter]

It looks like Honda may be working on developing a case study for a Business School text book on how a company can ruin its reputation with one swift stroke of idiocy.

aka schlitz or "new" coke?

 

[Bestwifeever]

For some reason I had the impression Honda wants this engine or something similar in all its cars eventually. We bought a 2017 Accord touring model with a V6 instead of the CRV mostly because I really don’t like the CRV body design—when we replace our old MDX we’ll look at the CRV too but likely will go to a different brand. Thanks for the heads up on this particular issue.

 

[ExFlyBoy5]

I think if you look hard enough, you will find similar "rampant" design flaws of some sort on every single car on the road. Pick a make and model and go out onto the interwebs and you will find a problem that lots of folks are dealing with but the manufacturer isn't doing anything about. I am *not* saying this to reduced the issue the OP has brought up (and it's significant) but to illustrate that there isn't a perfect car out there.

 

[38Chevy454]

Just bringing this as an example of a company doing right: Toyota had a bad rust issue on Tacoma truck frames, they first bought out owners of trucks at a very fair price. Then later they did frame replacements as the second round. I am not Toyota fanboy either, but this is an example of how a company accepts responsibility and fixes it correctly for the consumer.


No company is immune from problems. The difference is how the problems are handled.

 

[pb4uski]

what happened to the subaru?

See post #19. While I love our 2016 Outback and this is our third Subaru in the family, Subaru has had its history of ignoring problems too.... including the well-known head gasket problems back a while ago and problems with turbos in the Legacy GT (one of my previous Subaru).

 

[Big_Hitter]

See post #19. While I love our 2016 Outback and this is our third Subaru in the family, Subaru has had its history of ignoring problems too.... including the well-known head gasket problems back a while ago and problems with turbos in the Legacy GT (one of my previous Subaru).

ah yeah known issue with the n/as - we just drive turbo subies

 

[bjorn2bwild]

Are you sure there is no fix? I heard there was some tweaking of the direct injection, and I wonder if they can do something to speed warm up?

A little inconvenient, but I would try something like using an oil pan heater plugged in overnight with the oil fill cap removed to accelerate fuel evaporation.

 

[pb4uski]

ah yeah known issue with the n/as - we just drive turbo subies

And those turbo subies have had their issues too... though thankfully I never had a problem with my Legacy GT.

 

[Big_Hitter]

my 09 fxt spun a rod bearing and i had to get the entire engine replaced at 4.9 years

warranty covered it 100% - basically new engine now

I think that was a known issue in the 09 fxts (new model that year) and the 07 STIs had ringland problems

the only big issues with the 02 WRX and 04 FXT were the banjo filters in the fxt and a raw fuel smell when cold - that was bad but fixed under warranty

 

[Big_Hitter]

The car DW had before this one was a Subaru we bought because of their reputed reliability. We wound up with the one of the models that had head gasket problems, and had to go through a new head gasket replacement at 80K miles. This was a well documented problem with these Subarus.

Subaru did not step up to the plate on this either. No more Subbies for us.

sorry I didn't see this - man you having some rough luck with vehicles

 

[samclem]

Is it too late to buy Honda's (OEM) extended powertrain warranty?

That's what I'd do if I planned on keeping the vehicle.

+1. Especially if the warranty is transferable, it may improve the resale value (a little) if the vehicle gets a well-known black eye.

 

[HF63]

The 1.5 engine has another problem besides the gas in the oil. They are also complaints that it does not produce enough heat during the winter months. The colder it gets the worst the lack of cabin heat.


This new models also have direct injection, the injectors are inside the combustion chamber next to the spark plugs.



If you looking to buy a CRV look at the 2.4L and avoid the 1.5L. Not sure how reliable the CVT trans is going to be.

 

[Sunset]

Just bringing this as an example of a company doing right: Toyota had a bad rust issue on Tacoma truck frames, they first bought out owners of trucks at a very fair price. Then later they did frame replacements as the second round. I am not Toyota fanboy either, but this is an example of how a company accepts responsibility and fixes it correctly for the consumer.


No company is immune from problems. The difference is how the problems are handled.

So true, Hyundai Sonata had a problem of front frames rusting in the front, so I got a new front frame put on my car when it was about 8 yrs old, for free.

I thought that was pretty decent of them.

They also had peeling chrome on plastic door handles on the inside, here their solution was pretty lousy, by putting chrome tape over them.

 

[dvalley]

It's not representative of all Honda models, for sure. But it is representative of how they accept responsibility for a dud. Everyone makes mistakes.

Kinda like realizing the mistake after marriage. So the answer is to never own, always rent/lease

 

[ERD50]

....
This new models also have direct injection, the injectors are inside the combustion chamber next to the spark plugs. ... .

Direct injection is in many cars these days, helps for mpg and emissions.

But one problem is with no gasoline going past the intake valves, you don't get any detergent action either, and some cars have had build up on the intake valves.

Some cars are going to a combo (port plus direct injection), which I think solves that problem, and probably has other benefits (more time for fuel/air to mix with port injection).

-ERD50

 

[W2R]

I had a 2010 Honda CRV . The air conditioning system went at 34,000 miles . It was a design flaw that Honda knew about but decided to ignore . I also had paint coming off in clomps . Honda knew about this problem also and did nothing . That was my first and last experience with Honda . I traded the car in for a Toyota Rav4 .

I really appreciated your posts about your CRV. Before reading them, I thought the CRV was a terrific SUV. But now, maybe not so much, especially considering the issues reported in this thread.

I have just about 100% given up on ever finding a new SUV that I want.

 

[samclem]

I really appreciated your posts about your CRV. Before reading them, I thought the CRV was a terrific SUV. But now, maybe not so much, especially considering the issues reported in this thread.

I have just about 100% given up on ever finding a new SUV that I want.

The CR-V is a terrific vehicle. Ours has been trouble free and the large surveys of owners gives the same info. The specific problem is with the new 1.5 liter turbo engine that now comes on many (not all) CR-Vs. I'd avoid that until it is fixed.

 

[RE2Boys]

Honda's plan of action to fix the CRVs:

https://www.consumerreports.org/car...-cr-v-turbo-engine-fix-details-rollout-plans/

 

[Texas Proud]

It looks like Honda may be working on developing a case study for a Business School text book on how a company can ruin its reputation with one swift stroke of idiocy.

How a business handles problems is one of the most important factors in how they are viewed by consumers.

That transmission problem was over many years and many models... and it did not seem to harm them that much...




I also bet that the vast majority of people who have these cars will never know... they do not check the oil... so as long as the dealer does not tell them they are in the dark....

 

[DFDubb]

I also bet that the vast majority of people who have these cars will never know... they do not check the oil... so as long as the dealer does not tell them they are in the dark....

You're absolutely right about that, but that doesn't make it any less of a problem. These will definitely not be the Honda's on the road with 300k on them 15-20 years from now like can be found quite commonly.

 

[FIYes]

Hmm, don’t believe that I have ever had as strong a reaction to a thread as this one. I started reading the linked bobble head thread and my stomach was knotting up. I didn’t finish that thread. I then read the linked Consumer Reports thread and while not great, it was a bit more reassuring. Hey, my CR V should still have 35 months of good warranty and that is enough time to decide what I need to do.
My last 2 cars have been trouble free..a Hyundai Sonata and a Honda Accord. Having experienced troublesome vehicles I really appreciate a trouble free vehicle.
Earlier in this thread someone mentioned a Ford Escort. I had one of those and had to replace the alternator three or four times....fortunately all under warranty. The Escort also had extremely poor acceleration ...to the point where it was somewhat unsafe to drive when merging onto the interstate. One of the vehicles that I considered when I bought my CR V was the Subaru Crosstrek I vetoed the Crosstrek because both Consumer Reports and Edmunds mention slow Acceleration. I also had a very troublesome Plymouth Horizon at one point. I have experienced the difference between a reliable vehicle and an unreliable vehicle so I really appreciate a reliable vehicle.

 

[RAE]

It looks like Honda may be working on developing a case study for a Business School text book on how a company can ruin its reputation with one swift stroke of idiocy.

How a business handles problems is one of the most important factors in how they are viewed by consumers.

Unfortunately, virtually every car manufacturer I can think of has done the same thing, at one time or another (not taken responsibility and corrective action when a design flaw with their product was identified). Apparently, they figure the cost of making things right with all these vehicles exceeds the cost from loss of future business from folks who had one of their lemons. And they are probably right, assuming that not too many future car buyers become aware of what they failed to do on a prior lemon model.
Lots of folks have had good experiences with Honda products over the years, and many of them will continue to buy new Hondas, even if they find out what the company failed to do in this instance.