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Greatest country on earth. 32 41.03%
Pretty d@mn great. 30 38.46%
It's okay. 11 14.10%
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Old 02-22-2006, 08:31 AM   #21
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It depends upon what you mean by Great??

If you are talking about the current state of economic affairs, the U..S.A is right behind some LA Countries, too much debt, too much Governmnet Spending, a politicial environment that has set the US back 30 years.?

If you are talking about geography, there are some areas that are totally spectacular, inspite of the attempts of commercialisation to ruin it?

If you are talking cities and everyday living, there are some areas that are great, others, if you are there at the wrong time, you will die??

If the question is, on balance, in so far as a societies responsibilty to provide Health and Safety and a means to live comfortable, the US would probably get a C+?

I am European by Birth, Canadian by choice, have been around the world, on balance, for the average person who wants to raise their kids in a safe, health conscious society, and not bankrupt them selves by College Fees, as well as minimal Racism, then it has to be Sweden.

Canada I would give a B+ to, its'major failing is in extending the Safety Net of Socialism and in its' overt reverance of Political Correctness, it has failed to meet many of the needs of its' population.

Canadians now have a sense of entitlement, i should have this just because I am in this group, i have the right to have a child and Society has the Responsibilty to raise it.

Harper, an Intelligent Right Leaning PM, should help correct the swing of the pendulum.

The fact that Canada gets some winter months is an opportunity to play a whole bunch of new sports,and if you don't like the cold, you can drive to Mexico or Florida in a day.

The fact that Americans need to constanttly remind them selves or be reminded of how great they are is a clear indicator that they realise that things are not that good and that improvemnets are necessary.
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The fact that Canada gets some winter months is an opportunity to play a whole bunch of new sports,and if you don't like the cold, you can drive to Mexico or Florida in a day.
That would be a long drive. Have you actually done this drive?
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Who cares? This sort of thing always puts me off. I just don't understand the need to onstantly stroke one's country as the greatest whatever. There are lots of good things about most countries. And there are lots of bad things about most countries.
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brewer, you are totally correct and Justin, Yes I have done this drive and will do it again this weekend as we are going to FLA for a month.

My Dad is 87 , lives there for 6 months with his Girl Friend, he has just stopped driving it, albeit, he would take 2 1/2 days, Central not south FLA.
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How great is the US of A ??

An international view - from the outside looking in......

Used to be considered great. Observations lately are not so good and getting worse.

On the evidence of the past few years, the downhill trend is accelerating and recent events have only increased the pace.
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How great is the US of A ??

An international view - from the outside looking in......

Used to be considered great. Observations lately are not so good and getting worse.

On the evidence of the past few years, the downhill trend is accelerating and recent events have only increased the pace.

If a person has his / her eyes open, it looks like that from the inside looking out too.

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Who cares? This sort of thing always puts me off. I just don't understand the need to onstantly stroke one's country as the greatest whatever. There are lots of good things about most countries. And there are lots of bad things about most countries.
It's just like games.* My football team is better than yours because it's mine.

Again, just my opinion.

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Carlos Delgado objected to the Iraqui Invasion, the open hatred on the faces of some fans was scary, this would not have happened in other countries.

No other country that I have visited displays its flags so prominently, invokes patriotic messages so frequently in their daily routines, nor displays frequent testaments on Public Billboards to their patriotism.

Patriotic Fervor is whipped up at every opportunity, propaganda is constantly unleashed on the populace to tell them how great they are.

Great Britain was very similar under Victoria, Wars were frequent, contempt for Foreigners were understandeable, you were less than perfect if you weren't British.

Students of History must surely see that the Boer War and the Iraqui Invasion are almost identical in stageing and in outcome, one was to steal Gold, the other to steal Oil.

I will be in the US for a month, I just try to ignore, act as a guest(which I am), enjoy the sun, try not to get shot(it is Florida after all), then return to spring and to my garden and to all the birds.

At the end of the day, it ain't bad having Americans for neighbours.
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Hey, wasn't Vietnam supposed to be the one-size-fits-all prototype for loser America-haters to compare Iraq to? And if Iraq is a war for oil, then I guess WWII was a war for.... sauerkraut? frankfurters? ............. VW Beetles?
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No other country that I have visited displays its flags so prominently, invokes patriotic messages so frequently in their daily routines, nor displays frequent testaments on Public Billboards to their patriotism.
North Korea. Though you probably haven't visited there.
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That would be a long drive. Have you actually done this drive?
It's been awhile but when my father had a condo in South Beach (hindsight, wish I had bought it), I did NYC to Miami Beach in 36 hours.

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Justin, have you visited North Korea or do you rely upon News reports??

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CoolDood, WW11 started to halt the Nazi takeover of Europe in 1939, the fact that you trivialize it shows your lack of knowledge of that era and our debt to those soldiers.

The fact that Hitler's Armies were held at bay for 2 years until the US was forced to participate is the only reason you are not eating Sauer Kraut and Frankfurters, although German Beer is 10 times as good as anything the US produces.

Why are you using the Maple Leaf as a back drop, should you not use another flag, or do you just display Flags of Conveniance
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Hey, wasn't Vietnam supposed to be the one-size-fits-all prototype for loser America-haters to compare Iraq to?
I see a lot of similarities between the two foolish wars. The big differences IMO are that we have not had a draft (yet) and we have not had significant domestic economic consequences (yet). Other than that...
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Justin, have you visited North Korea or do you rely upon News reports??
I've seen it on Fox News so it must be true. Those North Koreans are fanatics.

Just kidding. I base my opinion of N Korea on what I've heard from talking to S. Koreans and Chinese guys during university, a few british documentaries I've seen on N. Korea (some were a few years old), and various news and international government sources. Hell, what do I know though?

Do you have any evidence to suggest that N Korea is less nationalist than the US?



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I've seen it on Fox News so it must be true.* Those North Koreans are fanatics.

Just kidding.* I base my opinion of N Korea on what I've heard from talking to S. Koreans and Chinese guys during university, a few british documentaries I've seen on N. Korea (some were a few years old), and various news and international government sources.* Hell, what do I know though?

Do you have any evidence to suggest that N Korea is less nationalist than the US?*
It does great credit to the clowns in charge of the US to have the country compared to N. Korea...
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Justin, don't know, all the people who disgreed , they disappeared?

We all should be worried about that Nut Bar, he could start the next war, hopefully he will tick off China and they will take him out.
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It does great credit to the clowns in charge of the US to have the country compared to N. Korea...
Well, we're only comparing nationalism between the two countries. I'd wager plenty of other countries have plenty of nationalism going on. North Korea came to mind as an extreme example of a country with a government that promotes nationalist sentiment.

I think the US nationalist sentiment arises mainly from its citizens' pride in their country. I dislike a number of aspects of our country/policies/politics, but I take pride in my country.





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A couple of minor differences between the USA and, say, N. Korea:

We can complain;

We can vote.

I now return you to the previously scheduled pissing contest discussion...

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We can complain;

We can vote.

I now return you to the previously scheduled pissing contest discussion...

Not so sure about all that any more. I keep running across disturbing news reports of the gummint clamping down on dissenters (political opponents on the no fly list, cars with the "wrong" bumper stickers getting towed from federal property, etc.) and it is entirely unclear what the hell happeed in the last couple of presidential elections.
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I don't think you can judge your own country until you've actually lived outside of it for a bit. I lived in the U.S. for a couple of years and it may me appreciate Canada even more (no offense).

I even convinced DH (American) to move to Canada in 2001 and he'll be applying for his Canadian citizenship this summer . We have no plans to move back to the U.S. permanently. I wouldn't mind spending a couple of months there in the winter as snowbirds but that's about it.
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I don't think you can judge your own country until you've actually lived outside of it for a bit. I lived in the U.S. for a couple of years and it may me appreciate Canada even more (no offense).

I even convinced DH (American) to move to Canada in 2001 and he'll be applying for his Canadian citizenship this summer . We have no plans to move back to the U.S. permanently. I wouldn't mind spending a couple of months there in the winter as snowbirds but that's about it.
That's fine. Us Merkins need somewhere to exile our unwanteds to.
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