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Old 02-01-2010, 10:12 AM   #161
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I think they'll come in 16, 32 and 64. Each step up is an extra $100 though. And 3G will cost another $129.

Google's Chrome Netbooks are going to have 0 GB hard drive. No hard drive at all! People will think it's crazy when they first come out, but "cloud computing" is the way things are moving.
Not even some local storage for caching?

How are people who travel overseas going to use them. Data roaming is not a viable option.

Are people going to have to collect 3G SIMs?

iPhone can still be used even if there's no data connection.
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Old 02-01-2010, 10:46 AM   #162
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Not even some local storage for caching?

How are people who travel overseas going to use them. Data roaming is not a viable option.

Are people going to have to collect 3G SIMs?

iPhone can still be used even if there's no data connection.
They'll have some flash memory, but you won't be able to store pictures, documents, and stuff on the hard drive - Google Chrome OS: Ditch Your Hard Drives, the Future Is the Web | Gadget Lab | Wired.com
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The books, however, will not be compatible with Amazon.com Inc.'s Kindle or with the major alternative e-book system.
It was in the late 1700's that people realized that standardized interchangeable parts were a good idea. But humans seem to be unable (or unwilling for profit reasons) to understand this. As an example, here are just some of the different types of image files:

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Sony's ereader and the B&N Nook both read the epub format of ebooks. The ipad also reads epub format. I don't see why this should be an issue.
In addition, there is already an app for the iPhone for both Kindle and Nook users.
The Kindle, on the other hand, is not capable of reading the epub format. If any reader is limiting options, it appears to be the Kindle, not the Nook, ipad or sony readers.

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Aha, it isn't so much that the author is claiming the ipad won't be using epub, it is their guess that apple will be using some form of copy protection that will make it incompatible with other readers.
While I see the concern for people that have other readers already, it really is speculation at this point.
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It was in the late 1700's that people realized that standardized interchangeable parts were a good idea. But humans seem to be unable (or unwilling for profit reasons) to understand this. As an example, here are just some of the different types of image files:
Perhaps, but since jpg and pdf are used for almost everything, it doesn't really matter.

And a lot of those listed formats are internal formats for specific doc editing/creation applications that let them store their own specific data. But since these programs import and export several commonly used formats that also doesn't matter - output is easily shared.

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I just don't see the niche that the ipad would fill between the iphone and a netbook size device. But it's apple so they'll probably make billions on this. And there will undoubtedly be quick imitators that produce a superior quality product (in most regards) for much less money. But they won't be able to sell em like hotcakes a la apple.
I'm pretty sure they'll make billions on it. If they sell 1 iPad for every 10 iPods they'll make a profit of over $1 billion in the first year.

I used to not understand why people would switch to Apple. Then, I was finally convinced to buy an MacBook Pro -- not only does it exceed my expectations, I might never buy a Windows laptop again.

I know a bunch of Windows to Mac converts. I don't know a single Mac to Windows convert. There's definitely more too it than just marketing and hype.
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Hmmm - more developments. It looks like Amazon caved to that publisher (MacMillan) and agreed to the same terms as Apple. Now MacMillan will raise their ebook prices. They feel compelled to "protect" their hardcover book sales - they don't want those wonderful printed hardcover books to go the way of the dinosaur (hope springs eternal). Hmmmm - seems like delaying release of the ebook version would be a smarter approach. Whatever.

Whose move? Amazon and Macmillan vie for position | Jacket Copy | Los Angeles Times

AppleInsider | iPad debut ignites price war between Amazon and publisher Macmillan

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I have been watching this as I was considering buying a Kindle for the convenience. No need to search out, drag along and dispose of books. As it was, I thought the price for new titles was too high as you could not resell the book or even give them away. Now the maximum price will be $15.00 instead of $10.00, at least for Macmillan titles. I decided to forgo the Kindle for now and see how things play out.
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I know a bunch of Windows to Mac converts. I don't know a single Mac to Windows convert. There's definitely more too it than just marketing and hype.
I don't personally know anyone that has switch to/from windows or mac off hand. I guess I just don't keep up with my acquaintances OS habits.

I find it hard to believe that there aren't at least a few people I know that have switched from a $500-1200 mac laptop to a netbook or cheap laptop at half the price of the mac equivalent when looking to upgrade their system. When times get tough, people make choices. And for most people, they have grown accustomed to a Windows operating system at school or work. So the switch isn't really hard.
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I used to not understand why people would switch to Apple. Then, I was finally convinced to buy an MacBook Pro -- not only does it exceed my expectations, I might never buy a Windows laptop again.

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I didn't really switch I just decided that my first at home computer would be a MacBookPro partly to emphasize the difference between work and home and relevant here, the difference between work and retirement.
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I don't personally know anyone that has switch to/from windows or mac off hand. I guess I just don't keep up with my acquaintances OS habits.
I work with Microsoft technologies so I tend to notice it when coworkers switch. I used to find it quite shocking and didn't get why they were such big Apple fans, but now I can see why.

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I find it hard to believe that there aren't at least a few people I know that have switched from a $500-1200 mac laptop to a netbook or cheap laptop at half the price of the mac equivalent when looking to upgrade their system. When times get tough, people make choices. And for most people, they have grown accustomed to a Windows operating system at school or work. So the switch isn't really hard.
I think the PC industry has gotten so competitive that quality has taken a plunge. Two of my last three laptops have had power supply problems within 2 years.

Cheaper isn't always a better financial move and I think my MacBook Pro might actually save me money in the long run. Plus, it runs better and works better than the other laptops I've owned. If my Mac dies tomorrow, than maybe I'll change my mind...but the kool aid it comes with tastes really good
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I have been watching this as I was considering buying a Kindle for the convenience. No need to search out, drag along and dispose of books. As it was, I thought the price for new titles was too high as you could not resell the book or even give them away. Now the maximum price will be $15.00 instead of $10.00, at least for Macmillan titles. I decided to forgo the Kindle for now and see how things play out.
That's what has stopped me in my tracks. A brand new release paperback that lists MSRP for $7.99 you can go to Walmart and buy for 30% off - $5.97. The Kindle edition is $6.39, and I can't pass that along to someone else, or trade it in at a used bookstore for another used book.

Now I can see buying the ebook form of references that I might use over and over again - like how-to books and cookbooks and any instructional material. But for 1X or 2X reading? No.

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I find it hard to believe that there aren't at least a few people I know that have switched from a $500-1200 mac laptop to a netbook or cheap laptop at half the price of the mac equivalent when looking to upgrade their system. When times get tough, people make choices. And for most people, they have grown accustomed to a Windows operating system at school or work. So the switch isn't really hard.
Think of the car analogy. People don't buy the cheapest car available, they buy what they really want or as close as they can reasonably afford. If it is something you are driving every day and using for certain functions you want something that you like reasonably well and feel good driving and enjoy using.

I'm not interested in wasting a lot of time messing around with a system that is not really well integrated and seamless across applications (this also means I limit who I will buy software from) and very fully functional right out of the box. I know a lot of PC and Mac owners and frankly, I have never met anyone who switched back to a PC after owning a Mac.

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That's what has stopped me in my tracks. A brand new release paperback that lists MSRP for $7.99 you can go to Walmart and buy for 30% off - $5.97. The Kindle edition is $6.39, and I can't pass that along to someone else, or trade it in at a used bookstore for another used book.
That could be an issue if you read bestsellers most of the time.

I find that there are a large number of free and almost free selections on the Kindle web site and I love diving in and trying them out. Classics are fun, too. So my Kindle is at least half filled with free stuff.

Latest one was Treasure Island which I read to the grandkids when we visit. They love it, and think my constant interjections to explain the English dialog is very entertaining.

I like Martha's point - if I could at least trade each download, maybe even just 3 times or so, it would be nice.

I am not sure if I would buy a kindle today until I checked out the iPad, but the very small size, easy-on-the-eyes display, weeks long battery life and built-in free air card do make for a pretty nice package.

I maintain that a kindle with a great browser would be awesome.
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I think the PC industry has gotten so competitive that quality has taken a plunge. Two of my last three laptops have had power supply problems within 2 years.

Cheaper isn't always a better financial move and I think my MacBook Pro might actually save me money in the long run. Plus, it runs better and works better than the other laptops I've owned. If my Mac dies tomorrow, than maybe I'll change my mind...but the kool aid it comes with tastes really good
I guess I view technology that I buy as essentially disposable. Whatever the purchase price is, within a few years the salvage value will only be 20-30% of what I paid when I bought the item new (or "new" refurbished). My buying strategy is usually to find a lower end tech item (ie not bleeding edge) that meets my needs, and plan on upgrading when it becomes obsolete or irreparably breaks.

So far that has allowed me to have fairly modern tech gear at bargain basement prices. I know I can repeat the cycle again after a few years of ownership and buy something that is 5-10x nicer or better for the same or lower cost.
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I find that there are a large number of free and almost free selections on the Kindle web site and I love diving in and trying them out. Classics are fun, too. So my Kindle is at least half filled with free stuff.
Well, I do look forward to reading that stuff electronically, and I expect I will once I (eventually) get myself an iPad.

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That's what has stopped me in my tracks. A brand new release paperback that lists MSRP for $7.99 you can go to Walmart and buy for 30% off - $5.97. The Kindle edition is $6.39, and I can't pass that along to someone else, or trade it in at a used bookstore for another used book.

Now I can see buying the ebook form of references that I might use over and over again - like how-to books and cookbooks and any instructional material. But for 1X or 2X reading? No.

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I recently got a Sony eReader (for my birthday). I already had a bunch of books in pdf format on my pc, so the giving/lending it to friends issue isn't a problem for me. Am I to understand that if you buy a book on one of these (any brand) readers you can't save it on your pc? I can read mine (various formats, not just pdf) with a Sony Reader app on my PC as well as on the eReader. And once it's on my PC I can share with friends if I want. I haven't looked into it, but if there's not a hack yet to convert the proprietary formats to pdf there soon will be. I wouldn't share on the torrents or anything, but I do demand to own what I buy.
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Well, those are the terms under which they sell you the book. Now, I suspect you could loan your PC to one of your friends so they could read your copy - that probably doesn't violate the terms of the agreement.

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I did pretty well with Graffiti, too.

I had two problems with it though: writing on the bottom of the screen while characters and the insertion point appeared above it (versus a touch screen) and also I found myself writing prescriptions in Graffiti once or twice. The pharmacists were confused.

Well glad to see there were at least 2 people who got the hang of it, lets see with the two (out a dozens I knew with Palm Pilot including myself) I guess that makes 4 for, who like the Graffiti system. At I wanted to grap a notepad and start writing for important stuff, but than I remember that my handwriting sucked also.
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