would u support dad after he ignored you for 30 yrs?

If I were you, I would not seek him out.

If you do seek him out and find him, only then will you know what the next step could be. You cannot possibly hypothesize it now, even with the help of the participants of this esteemed board!

He may be rich, he may be poor. You may hate what you find or you may love what you find. Or anything inbetween and in all possible combinations.

You cannot anticipate what you will find or how you might or should react.
 
well, my son's mom hasn't been around for him since he was a baby and she pops up once in a while to say "hi" via his grandmother -

my teen son always refuses to see her.

I told him - you know, you don't have to be nice if you see her - you could tell her you are upset that she wasn't around for you etc. He said he never thought of it that way.

so if it provides you some relief to let him know how you feel - then go for it - you could try a letter, but you never know if he read it or what reaction he had.

at the same time - i think there are some people who are just trapped by ineptitude - whatever feelings or reasons he has will not make you feel better about the fact that he wasn't there and you can't turn back the clock...

you have to uncover what your intention would be and feel comfortable that you will set your own boundaries if he does seek financial support from you etc...
 
newyorklady said:
i agree that you have a valid flag to fly in celebration of gay rights or in opposition to discrimination. but i do disagree with the term pride. white pride, gay pride, black pride... i have no right to be proud about something i didn't have a choice about. but i think this argument is more a question of semantics.

Logically this may be true, but psychologically it misses the mark. If one has been made to feel ashamed of oneself for something one didn't have a choice about, the most natural reaction to break out of the shame is to swing to the opposite of shame, which is pride -- whether one has a "right" to it or not. A Zen-like detachment from the whole issue may be in some sense a more logical approach, but that is not how most real people work.
 
Lazy,

It seems to me you are mixing up two lines of thought....

One is if I meet dad who has not initiated contact to me in 30 years, what should I do... and this is all over the board... but, that is not what you asked... my answer, see what happens... I would think he would not care at all and the relationship would die anyhow...

BUT, you asked "would u support dad after he ignored you for 30 yrs?"... and the answer still remains NO... not one dime... not at all... even with your other posts clairifying what people assumed, NO... he made his bed, let him sleep in it... and he is not asking you for anything anyhow!!!

To summarize....
No support.... let's see on the relationship...
 
Many forces at play.

One is the influence of family. Thats a very personal thing. Some people will do anything for a family member, even one that hasnt always been there for them.

A big one is acting like the person that you are. Some people do an awful lot of things for others they dont know or who may have been a problem for them in the past. Ignoring a child and/or not actively interacting is a painful thing.

But it shouldnt change who you are or how you behave.

Be who you are.

Your dad might simply have been confused and had a hard time figuring out how to handle a son, and as time and space grew, felt the gap was too far to mend.

You have to decide if you're strong enough to do in a short time what he felt powerless to do in a lifetime.

And if you give a hoot.
 
Lazy,
You are really are a good hearted soul. You'll know what to do when you find him.Good Luck !
 
from the tough cookies, to the tough love, from my occassional (being kind to myself here) obscurity to the practicality of some of you, given the clarity of thought i so often find here, i have to say you guys are amazing. and as much as almost all my friends at one time or another tell me that i "think too much," whenever i pose a question here, you always give me more to consider.

newyorklady said:
i do think it is different to abandon you as a child v. as an adult. but it still hurts.

see, now this assumes that i ever grew up. but besides that, i sometimes think i must be the only person left on the planet who holds adults in the same high regard as children. certainly there would be a difference if the father was not a good guy to a child, but i stated from the very first post that he was not a bad guy. i would not have said that if he had physically abandoned a child.

do think it would be good for you to speak to your dad again as you have unresoved issues. if he dies you will have unanswered questions like why he hasn't spoken to you for 30 years.

this is one of the arguments i use with myself to make contact. i want to ask him "why did you never call me?"

youbet said:
If you do seek him out and find him, only then will you know what the next step could be. You cannot possibly hypothesize it now, even with the help of the participants of this esteemed board!

He may be rich, he may be poor. You may hate what you find or you may love what you find. Or anything inbetween and in all possible combinations.

You cannot anticipate what you will find or how you might or should react.

i think i would be ok with however i found him. i have never judged anyone as a person based on what they were able to accomplish here or not. i don't think everyone can play by these rules. in part that is why i tend towards socialism or at least why i champion safety nets for those who otherwise would fall through.

i understand your point that i will react how i react if the situation occurs. i thought it was interesting to flush out the issues of such a situation. to consider the ramifications of possible action, to try and foresee how i would look back from potential futures.

my brother brought up a good point in that how could i even consider finding my father if i would not be willing to support him if needed be. if i seek out this man out of love then wouldn't i support him unconditionally. for if i am not seeking out of love then is the search in vain.

bright eyed said:
I told him - you know, you don't have to be nice if you see her - you could tell her you are upset that she wasn't around for you etc. He said he never thought of it that way.

having so often & for so long deluded myself into thinking i shoot for some higher purpose as if needing that to give my life meaning, i also would not at first think of simply satisfying my own curiosity. i'd have a hard time believing that. but i can see it helps to try.

bpp said:
If one has been made to feel ashamed of oneself for something one didn't have a choice about, the most natural reaction to break out of the shame is to swing to the opposite of shame, which is pride -- whether one has a "right" to it or not.

thpot on.

Texas Proud said:
BUT, you asked "would u support dad after he ignored you for 30 yrs?"... and the answer still remains NO... not one dime... not at all... even with your other posts clairifying what people assumed, NO... he made his bed, let him sleep in it... and he is not asking you for anything anyhow!!!

and there's that voice of practicality. you might be right. i don't know. but even if so, i don't think i can function like that. i know we make our beds. a part of me says let them lie there. but another part of me says: i can afford 800 thread count. i can be very comfortable on 600 thread count. if i had to i could buy my dad some sheets.

Cute Fuzzy Bunny said:
You have to decide if you're strong enough to do in a short time what he felt powerless to do in a lifetime.

that could not have been more beautifully worded.

Moemg said:
Lazy,
You are really are a good hearted soul. You'll know what to do when you find him.Good Luck !

thank you
 
You had two good parents, and a biological father who absented himself from your life after he and your mother divorced. Were I you, should you find him, ask him what he has been doing for the last 30 years. Spend time and listen. He may have believed that you didn't need him, or maybe your mother and step-father told him to stay away. Stranger things have happened.

He may never need any financial or emotional support from you so don't worry about it. If at some time he becomes needy you could consider the situation and decide then.
 
lazygood4nothinbum said:
bssc, what did you do about your bil? did you take over responsibility?
By the time we got to Vegas, he was pretty much gone. The hospital wanted to transfer him to hospice and hospice felt that he would not survive the trip. My wife and two SILs made the decision to remove him from the respirator. The two BIL didn't show up but phoned in their consent. He was so far gone that he lasted twenty minutes. I think that it would have been nice for everyone to have said their good byes, like they had with their mom but he didn't want anyone to know how poorly he was doing.

Anyway, good luck with your situation. I hope that things work out for the best.
 
Lazy...

Let me throw another thought into the mix... since you see my words as the practical ones...

Why do you think he would need you assistance:confused: Maybe HE has a couple of mill stashed away... he could have won the lottery or something else... unless you have heard through the family that he needs help, why assume:confused:
 
lazygood4nothinbum said:
that could not have been more beautifully worded.

Maybe theres a little cute and fuzzy in there after all ;)

Given that i'm also working to bridge a parental gap, I can tell you that its a process that takes time and patience on behalf of both parties. My advice: engage, go slow, let things take their course, you're a smart guy...you'll figure it out.

The financial piece is a byproduct.
 
Brat said:
You had two good parents...He may have believed that you didn't need him, or maybe your mother and stepfather told him to stay away. Stranger things have happened.

ya brat, really good parents. no way would they have told dad to stay away. mom kept her family of about 65 cousins together. i even have her minutes of the meeting of their first cousins club from when she was a young adult. also mom was responsible for reuniting my stepfather with the very large family he had long ago walked away from. and the ol'man only wanted what was best for me and would never have interfered with my dad's relationship with me.

how can a father not think his son needs him? though my dad never had much to do with his father either (as i mentioned i only met my grandfather a few times). fortunately my brother broke this horrible cycle and is a wonderful & loving participant in the lives of his children.

Texas Proud said:
unless you have heard through the family that he needs help, why assume:confused:

though i'm an optimist in the long run, i rarely skip the step of considering worst case scenarios. makes me the perfect candidate for firecalc.
 
Enjoy your conversation/interaction with him if it happens. People do some of the strangest things during their lifetimes - and often do not have the cajones to attempt to apologize when the error is truly realized. Candid discussions might help make a little sense out of things...

I wish you the best of luck,

Jen, an adoptee who "found" her biological people as an adult - was very important to me - and all turned out well....
 
So came to this late thread, but I'll tell you my experience. My older brother, 9 years difference in age, was my hero as a kid. When my parents divorced, he was 10 and I was 1, so I don't remember it but he did quite vividly. He was very angry about it. When he was 16 and I was 7 he moved out of the house, bounced around for a while and pretty much vanished.

20 years later he sends my mom, my dad, and me letters saying he wants to be a part of our life again. The emotions I felt were all over the place, needless to say there were a few tears, too. So I agreed to meet him with my Dad. He's dabbling in eastern philosophy and owns his own business. But he's still angry, and the cynical part of me thinks he may just be showing up now to wheedle his way into an inheritance. I just want to tell him, "get over it, you are 41!" when he goes off on his rants.

After a few contacts, I just conlcuded we are strangers. I will respond to his emails, and keep the peace for my parents' sake, because they very much feel their prodigal son has returned. Everyone is hoping I'll get us through this rocky ride since I'm always the peacemaker etc. but I just don't want to play.

I think you have multiple levels of emotions for your father like I do for my brother. Part angry, part abandonment wanting redemption. I guess I've come to a similar conclusion to others on this thread. Family is those who earned it. Both my step-parents worked very earnestly to be good parents, and I thank them every chance I get. Blood doesn't mean a whole lot to me by itself.

Just be careful. If you are ready to make contact whatever the response, and you want to, do it. But don't be more inclined to bail him out financially than you would any other relative. Keep shields up! Man, I'll stop typing now, I'm getting angry just thinking about this guy. :)
 
Lazy,

Please take this comment with an open mind as I am not trying to be hurtful.

When I do the math and stir it into your comments here's what I get:

Your bio-dad supported you financially through college and that approximates age twenty for you. He was financially present, though not physically or emotionaly up to then.

You are fifty now and, since college, there has been a thirty year gap in his contact with you. The converse of this is that here has been a thirty year gap in your contact with him too. You became an adult about then and have been since then. Contact, or the lack of it, between adults, is a two way street. He doesn't call. You don't call. Now it's thirty years later.

Both of you got on with your lives and "where has the time gone?"

I'll add something personal. My first wife and I divorced when our sons were quite young. She moved 150 miles away and remarried. We still have a cordial relationship, however. That was about 18 years ago. I paid my share of support all the way along and helped where ever I could.

Now the boys are adults and very good people and a huge source of pride to me. Yet, though there is hardly a day goes by that I don't think of them, I still don't call all that much. I'll look at the phone and stop. The year's ago divorce and new stepdad put me on the outside, psycologically. Sounds strange, but I just hesitate to be an interruption.

They don't call all that much either.

"... the cat's in the cradle and the silver spoon, little boy blue and the man in the moon...."

My point is that, as a dad, I can see how easily one comes to feel like he's looking at the "new family" from the outside and is not just unnecessary but irrelevent.

You maybe own a piece of that thirty years too.
 
Fireup2025 said:
I wish you the best of luck...Jen, an adoptee who "found" her biological people as an adult - was very important to me - and all turned out well

thank you. and thanx for sharing that.

Laurence said:
and the cynical part of me thinks he may just be showing up now to wheedle his way into an inheritance.

i'm not so sure that's all that cynical. but between this and your other inheritance post i suspect it might be more oedipal.

After a few contacts, I just conlcuded we are strangers. I will respond to his emails, and keep the peace for my parents' sake, because they very much feel their prodigal son has returned. Everyone is hoping I'll get us through this rocky ride since I'm always the peacemaker etc. but I just don't want to play.

you might not want to write him off so fast. try not to just think of how he made you feel in the past, or even how he might make you feel now. try to consider how you might feel in the future, after your parents have passed on. it might be nice to have a brother in the world with you, and to have an uncle in life for your children.

I think you have multiple levels of emotions for your father like I do for my brother. Part angry, part abandonment wanting redemption. I guess I've come to a similar conclusion to others on this thread. Family is those who earned it. Both my step-parents worked very earnestly to be good parents, and I thank them every chance I get. Blood doesn't mean a whole lot to me by itself.

i think this is true in part. and certainly i consider my stepfather to be my family. it was interesting for me to see him appear in so many of my dreams at night, while mom was dying and after she died. even 13 years after burying my stepfather, he was foremost in my mind and those dreams helped me understand much and helped me deal with my ordeal. that man was always there for me. he really was a great guy.

Just be careful. If you are ready to make contact whatever the response, and you want to, do it. But don't be more inclined to bail him out financially than you would any other relative. Keep shields up! Man, I'll stop typing now, I'm getting angry just thinking about this guy. :)

i doubt dad would need my help. really just running a worst case possibility here. he hasn't sought my help ever. hell, he hasn't even sought me out just to say hi. as to helping other relatives, actually i'm already prepared to help set up a cousins' commune later in life. one option in consideration is building a compound in some third world country so that we can be there for each other in our older age. for me, blood is thicker than money.

Joss said:
You are fifty now and, since college, there has been a thirty year gap in his contact with you. The converse of this is that here has been a thirty year gap in your contact with him too. You became an adult about then and have been since then. Contact, or the lack of it, between adults, is a two way street. He doesn't call. You don't call. Now it's thirty years later.

as i originally said, i kept in periodic contact up until 13 years ago. whenever i was in jersey i stopped in to say hi. still, he never initiated any contact with me, never, not once. when i was about in early 20s, on vacation in jersey where many of my relatives and friends still lived, before calling dad i called my grandmother (his mother who also never not once called me). i asked her: "what's wrong with dad; how come he never calls me?" she could be kind of scarey. she just got angry with me and said in such a mean voice: "just call your father." i'll never forget how that sounded to me. well i did call my father as i was going to anyway. and i continued trying to keep in contact for many years after that.

then 13 years ago when i was in jersey burying the ol'man, i stopped in to see dad like i normally do when i'm in town. only this time he told me he had been to florida, looking for a place to live in retirement. it wasn't enough that he never called me from jersey, but he had been here and didn't bother to call. i was so hurt. anyway, i had not been to jersey again until 5 years ago but i was taking care of my alzheimer's mom and only had strength to deal with that. then 3 or 4 years ago, when my nephew was getting barmitzva'd, i thought it would be nice if i could get my father to meet his grandchildren for the first time in his life. (he and my brother hadn't spoken since my brother was 18.) but dad was no where to be found. someone else had his old telephone number. he never bothered even to say goodbye.

Yet, though there is hardly a day goes by that I don't think of them, I still don't call all that much. I'll look at the phone and stop. The year's ago divorce and new stepdad put me on the outside, psycologically. Sounds strange, but I just hesitate to be an interruption...My point is that, as a dad, I can see how easily one comes to feel like he's looking at the "new family" from the outside and is not just unnecessary but irrelevent.

ya, i think that is all at work there. but ya know what, the guy's got 29 or 30 years more life experience than me. so he just needs to just get over it.

You maybe own a piece of that thirty years too.

sorry, no, i did more than my part of this dance. but as to you, i'm just going to say something my grandmother should have said to her son "just call your children."
 
Sorry, Lazy...

My bad for not getting all the facts straight.

I understand now that you've held up your end. Maybe he's just "wired" different. Sounds like maybe your grandmother too... and that might be a clue to him.

If I were you, and you know this is superficial as hell since I can only pretend this based on what I've absorbed of your writing, I think I'd let go of it now. You have given the man every opportunity and he has let them all go. He also has 29 more years of life experience, as you said.

But perhaps more important is what this creates, regarding your brother. He seems like a good man and well aware of the responsibilites he has created, and fully accepts. Finding your (and his) bio-dad spills over onto him too. It is impossible that it won't.

You asked in the beginning about discovering your bio-dad destitute. Look at this through your brothers eyes. How would he deal with that burden? He can't ignore it because he is not like your father. But he can't pay it either. And you can't locate just your half of the guy. Maybe your brother chooses not to get involved, but even this will cost him unnecessary guilt.

Nothing about life is free unless you are a sociopath.
 
Joss said:
Look at this through your brothers eyes. How would he deal with that burden? He can't ignore it because he is not like your father. But he can't pay it either. And you can't locate just your half of the guy. Maybe your brother chooses not to get involved, but even this will cost him unnecessary guilt.

well, i said to my brother, maybe we could just split the costs if any. as to his guilt, it is well deserved. to complicate the story even more, while my father abandoned me, it was my brother who abandoned my father, moving from new jersey to colorado when he was a teen without saying goodbye. he didn't even cancel a dinner date he had with our dad. just took off. so no doubt he carries the guilt of that and i recently learned he also felt guilty because he thought his past action was responsible for dad not contacting me, not realizing that i had kept contact for so long with dad. (during those years brother & i were not the friends we are today).

your emphasis on being more concerned with my brother's welfare is appreciated. i'll give that more thought and at least keep it in mind. but in case you haven't noticed, i'm tired of living in the closet. i'm tired of secrets, i'm tired of skeletons, i'm tired of people not facing what is right in front of their faces. i'm not going to live my life as a cicada. and i'm not going to let people i love live their lives like an ostrich.
 
Sorry Lazy, but it sound more like it is just a family thing that people don't want to keep in touch... not just your dad...

As someone said, people are wired differently... your family is in this group.
 
lazygood4nothinbum said:
so you would take a chance on destroying your e.r. plans?

Yes, absolutely. I have already delayed FI for many years becuase of my family (children, not parents). Some things are more important.

Since you don't even know if there is anything to be worried about, I wouldn't let any possible financial issues enter your head.

lazygood4nothinbum said:
family means a lot to me. . . and with every family member i lose, i become less happy.

There you have it.
 
Every family has a jerk or two, based on your comments you have a lower % in your family than I.

It is sad when one is a parent. If you meet up with yours you may find that the relationship is more trouble than enriching, but you can go forward knowing that you have made an effort. We are all flawed at some level.
 
In your shoes I would probably try to find him.
I would like to hear his story about the past and why he abandoned contact.
Financial support? I am not sure - he supported you financially till you were mature. So if he needs it, I would probably like to "pay back".

But first I would like to learn more about my desire to find him and reconnect and also think about the bad experineces that might come.
How would you feel if you learn that he is anti-gay? Or that he already passed away without leaving a note to inform his kids? Or that he had another family and never talkerd about his other kids?
Or that he lived like next door to you without ever making contact?
Make sure that you have a support network before you dig it up...
 
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