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Here's a link my wife put on fb wall today: Healthy Oils, Healthy Fats
It took some doing, but I've converted her.
It took some doing, but I've converted her.
High cholesterol problem
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I have CAD (Coronary Artery Disease aka plaque in my heart veins). I have been able to stabilize that plaque (stop the growth), and truly believe that I will achieve regression (heart disease reversal) within the next 12 months. The program that is working for me is one developed by a preventive cardiologist out of Milwaukee named Bill Davis. His program is online at Track Your Plaque Heart Disease Prevention and Reversal Online I work that program with the aid of my local preventive practitioner (an Internist) who believes in it 100%. It is not mainstream medicine, but for me, mainstream medicine wasn't working. It's a bit overwhelming at first, but like everything, it gets easier to absorb if you keep working it.
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I'm not sure I'd use that site...seems overly product centric. I'd be looking for a 'helpful site that gave guidance, like 'just buy your vitamin d, coq10, and whatever at Walmart, and for the rest, since it's hard to find, buy it here'. If your doc believes the testing is accurate and useful, my be. But you gotta think... if my test value is X, and last time it was .95X, what action will you take? If you don't have an action plan, maybe the test wasn't justified.
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Red Yeast Rice lowered mine by like 25%...I bought it online with no issues. Do your homework for sure.
Info from Mayo Clinic.com
Red yeast rice is the product of yeast ( Monascus purpureus ) grown on rice, and is served as a dietary staple in some Asian countries. It contains several compounds collectively known as monacolins, substances known to inhibit cholesterol synthesis. One of these, "monacolin K," is a potent inhibitor of HMG-CoA reductase, and is also known as mevinolin or lovastatin (Mevacor®, a drug produced by Merck & Co., Inc).
Red yeast rice extract has been sold as a natural cholesterol-lowering agent in over the counter supplements, such as Cholestin TM (Pharmanex, Inc). However, there has been legal and industrial dispute as to whether red yeast rice is a drug or a dietary supplement, involving the manufacturer, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), and the pharmaceutical industry (particularly producers of HMG-CoA reductase inhibitor prescription drugs or "statins").
The use of red yeast rice in China was first documented in the Tang Dynasty in 800 A.D. A detailed description of its manufacture is found in the ancient Chinese pharmacopoeia, Ben Cao Gang Mu-Dan Shi Bu Yi, published during the Ming Dynasty (1368-1644). In this text, red yeast rice is proposed to be a mild aid for gastric problems (indigestion, diarrhea), blood circulation, and spleen and stomach health. Red yeast rice in a dried, powdered form is called Zhi Tai. When extracted with alcohol it is called Xue Zhi Kang.
Info from Mayo Clinic.com
Red yeast rice is the product of yeast ( Monascus purpureus ) grown on rice, and is served as a dietary staple in some Asian countries. It contains several compounds collectively known as monacolins, substances known to inhibit cholesterol synthesis. One of these, "monacolin K," is a potent inhibitor of HMG-CoA reductase, and is also known as mevinolin or lovastatin (Mevacor®, a drug produced by Merck & Co., Inc).
Red yeast rice extract has been sold as a natural cholesterol-lowering agent in over the counter supplements, such as Cholestin TM (Pharmanex, Inc). However, there has been legal and industrial dispute as to whether red yeast rice is a drug or a dietary supplement, involving the manufacturer, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), and the pharmaceutical industry (particularly producers of HMG-CoA reductase inhibitor prescription drugs or "statins").
The use of red yeast rice in China was first documented in the Tang Dynasty in 800 A.D. A detailed description of its manufacture is found in the ancient Chinese pharmacopoeia, Ben Cao Gang Mu-Dan Shi Bu Yi, published during the Ming Dynasty (1368-1644). In this text, red yeast rice is proposed to be a mild aid for gastric problems (indigestion, diarrhea), blood circulation, and spleen and stomach health. Red yeast rice in a dried, powdered form is called Zhi Tai. When extracted with alcohol it is called Xue Zhi Kang.
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Red rice yeast is less expensive than statins, but actually carries risks in the same categories as statins. Not saying it's a bad idea, just saying watch for the signs, and make sure you let your doc know what you're up to.
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New guy here. As I sport some new plumbing as a quad bypass owner[2008], this discussion has a high level of interest to me.
In the news recently is some reporting about medical findings for Otzi, the mummy found in an Italian pass in 1991. He had hardening of the arteries, genetic indications of heart disease risk, knee and ankle problems [maybe too much exercise] and arguably a "paleo" diet. He lived > 5000 years ago. Researchers speculate that if he had not succumbed to whatever killed him, he would have gone soon anyway via heart attack.
Heart disease is not modern...
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Hello everyone,
New guy here. As I sport some new plumbing as a quad bypass owner[2008], this discussion has a high level of interest to me.
In the news recently is some reporting about medical findings for Otzi, the mummy found in an Italian pass in 1991. He had hardening of the arteries, genetic indications of heart disease risk, knee and ankle problems [maybe too much exercise] and arguably a "paleo" diet. He lived > 5000 years ago. Researchers speculate that if he had not succumbed to whatever killed him, he would have gone soon anyway via heart attack.
Heart disease is not modern...
Iceman Was a Medical Mess - ScienceNOW
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5,000 years to get the test results -- you thought YOUR HMO was slow.
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Interesting article. I know essentially nothing about medical archeology, but throughout this article Iceman is referred to as Neolithic. At one point he is also referred to as "a hunter-gatherer". So unless there is some way to ascertain spectroscopically what his diet was, we are just guessing at what his medical condition may or may not tell us about anything at all.
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Maybe not what we consider a paleo diet today.
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I'm pretty sure there is.
I'm sure I know less than you on the subject, but I do know that they can analyze skeletal remains and determine the type of diet they lived on by the chemicals in the bones, and use these results to track the places that nomadic peoples have lived in.
In others words, not only can they tell whether he lived mostly on meat or veggies, they often have an idea of the region that the plants grew in.
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Neolithic, not Paleolithic, his diet was "...abounding in carbohydrates", and he was genetically predisposed toward arteriosclerosis. Looking at some of the other stories about this find, it seems his diet is believed to have also contributed to excessive tooth decay, periodontitis, gallstones, and arthritis.
I don't know if a diet that truly replicates what Paleolithic man ate is possible in modern times, but it does seem that the modern way of eating (high carb, grains, refined/processed foods) doesn't work well our genetic predispositions.
I don't know if a diet that truly replicates what Paleolithic man ate is possible in modern times, but it does seem that the modern way of eating (high carb, grains, refined/processed foods) doesn't work well our genetic predispositions.
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I should have limited the comment to >5000 y.o. diet. Braumeister pointed out above, and you note, heavy carbs were involved, and the timing is wrong. My takeaway was that heart disease is not new, but maybe I am one of few who believe that it is presented as such [bacon, slurpies and barcaloungers, or whatever]. Not trying to make a case for a particular diet-causation thing. I'm fairly convinced about the outcome of getting shot with an arrow, however.
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My former boss went to a presentation today where the heart surgeon presenter shared a video of a recent surgery. The patient had a 4 cm (yes - that's 10 inches) aortic aneurysm. The surgeon slit the aneurysm and removed two handfuls of hamburger looking plaque. He actually took the plaque out with his hands and plopped it onto the table. Gross!
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The 95-year old aunt of my best girlfriend went into the hospital and a nursing home about a month ago. She has been living on her own with a caregiver coming in 4 times per week. Muscle weakness and confusion. She is normally sharp as a tack and walked with a walker until she developed severe pain in one of her legs and was getting confused. She was given a full battery of tests and nothing was amiss.
No history of heart problems but apparently she has high cholesterol so guess what she was taking? A statin!
I advised my friend to get her aunt of the statin ASAP. She saw her GP yesterday and he agreed she needed to stop the statin because she was displaying known side effects. Aaaaaaaaaaaaargh!!!!!!!!!
No history of heart problems but apparently she has high cholesterol so guess what she was taking? A statin!
I advised my friend to get her aunt of the statin ASAP. She saw her GP yesterday and he agreed she needed to stop the statin because she was displaying known side effects. Aaaaaaaaaaaaargh!!!!!!!!!
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Can I borrow your calculator? Mine must be off. Actually it was the reverse - It was a 10 cm (4 inch) aneurysm.
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Just had lunch with a girlfriend today and she just received her blood test - high cholesterol. Whilst the doctor did not ask her to go on statin but he did assured her that there are no side effects given that he will only ask his patients to go on statin for short term like 3 months. Well, I'll still like to try natural remedies, diet and exercise first.
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Ronstar said:
Maybe that was the statins talking.
How about the "two handfuls" measurement? Is that accurate?
(That's a lotta goop in 4".)
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How about the "two handfuls" measurement? Is that accurate?
My boss said that the surgeon reached in with both hands and plopped the gunk on the table. I don't know - maybe the doctor had small hands.
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Since I started this thread in February, I have undergone a low fat, low cholesterol and reduced carbohydrate diet with much increased exercise sessions. DH who tested high cholesterol went through the same. So, we got our recent blood tests results, and here's an update BUT first I must say, I am quite quite upset with mine. DH's resultes are great as cholesterol level is back to normal range and he lost 5 lbs. My total cholesterol has not budged a bit and still stands at 7.8. HDL (good cholesterol) is still high and unchanged at 2.1. LDL (bad one) has only dropped 0.1 unit and stands at 5.2. The ratio remains at average risk. But I lost 7 lbs which is quite a lot and I had no intention to lose weight (though I quite like the slimmer figure but wish to just maintain this weight and not lose more). Whilst I've changed the type of food I take, I had not decreased the volume. The doctor said my cholesterol level could be genetic (my siblings all have high cholesterol). She said to continue my diet and exercise. I also did a liver function test this time and it turned out fine. Am scheduled to do a liver/gall bladder scan end of the month to confirm no fatty liver. What more should I be doing - other than a blood transfusion?? I've not had a clam or a piece of cream cake for ages! My last prawn was in Feb, I think.
?? I've not had a clam or a piece of cream cake for ages! My last prawn was in Feb, I think.chris2008
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Why not try an apple (or more) a day?
Apple a day keeps women's cholesterol at bay - Health - Women's health - NBCNews.com
Apple a day keeps women's cholesterol at bay - Health - Women's health - NBCNews.com
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