Do You Really Like to Travel?

One can always find a reason not to visit a particular country (other than times of war and civil insurection). But there are so many more reasons as why one should go ahead and travel.
Our last trip in September was to Berlin, Paris and Nice. Some friend commented on each place being the target. I said it was no more likely to occur there than anywhere else.

I think the time for high end electronics has passed. Convenience seems to have overtaken expensive.
 
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We typically have 2 2-week vacations each year and then several long weekend trips...
 
martyp......the more we travel the more we realize that the international news that we see in the media at home is not necessarily a true perspective of reality.

It seems to us that more often the news media is trying to turn the art of reporting the news in a factual fashion in to reporting the news in an entertainment fashion.

Especially the TV news stations where the goal is first and foremost to keep the audience glued to the station in order to increase viewership and therefore commercial revenue. The real news often seems to take a back seat to this commercialization.

Bangkok is such a great location. Excellent access to so may low cost airlines flying everywhere in SE Asia and on to Australia/NZ. We made it a hub for three years of winter travel in SE Asia.
 
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martyp......the more we travel the more we realize that the international news that we see in the media at home is not necessarily a true perspective of reality.

I liken it to medical advice. Getting a low risk surgery is certainly worth doing, but eventually someone's number is going to come up.

For example, my DM got both her knees replaced. It did her a heap of good. She spent of lot of time trying to convince her friends to do the same. She stopped doing that when one of her friend died during knee replacement surgery. Apparently it was the anesthetic that did her in. Rare, but it happens.

Likewise with travel. Most people will be fine and have an enjoyable time. I think it's worth it to travel. DW and I travel a lot. But I had a relative killed in a terrorist attack while traveling overseas. It does happen.

So basically, pay attention and minimize your risks.
 
Absolutely. But I would argue that the chances of being killed in a terrorist attack, or other situation while travelling overseas is no less than the same risk when or travelling at home. Perhaps even less.
 
For years I loved to travel for work, just about anywhere. Often the boss would say we need you to go "where ever" and I'd say okay before asking why, especially if it were international travel. Towards the end of my career, I started asking, do I really need to go? The last few years I would refuse to go unless there was an overwhelming business reason. I got to hate air travel (reminds me of herding cattle). Since I've retired, I have not flown at all but I will travel (drive domestically) whenever I want to go anywhere. Still enjoy the drives even if I been there a 100 times.
 
The last few years I would refuse to go unless there was an overwhelming business reason. I got to hate air travel (reminds me of herding cattle). Since I've retired, I have not flown at all but I will travel (drive domestically) whenever I want to go anywhere. Still enjoy the drives even if I been there a 100 times.
Two of my CEO stints included lots of travel. One had operations in 3 provinces and I would travel to them all every month. The other had operations in three countries so 10 days was away from home every month. I would not do that anymore.
 
A Chance for a Peak Moment?

I was reading "The Power of Moments" and came across an idea that might explain why people go through the sometimes troubling process of traveling.

How often to you have a chance for a peak moment while sitting on your couch? But if you get out somewhere, a much better chance, right? Getting out to your neighborhood, something noteworthy could come up, but probably not a novel experience. You get out of your neighborhood, it seems like the chance of something new is more likely. Is is more likely the farther you get from home? Maybe not farther in miles, maybe somewhere nearby but distant in terms of culture.
 
How often to you have a chance for a peak moment while sitting on your couch?

As the Australian lottery corp used to say, a half century or more ago, "You've gotta be in it to win it".
 
Absolutely! Or, as I always say, "If you don't do anything, nothing will happen"
 
We have become rather impulsive when it comes to travel. First time was shortly after retirement. Winter plans were falling through so we booked a flight to Thailand ten days in advance. Had to drive three hours to another city to a consulate office to get a visa extended to 60-90 days. We went back for two other winters and go again in January.

That was the start. Now when we do land trips we often only book hotels a few nights in advance.

It is the same with other travel deals. Just came back from a AI booked a week out. Saw the deal, booked it. It was gone later in the day. Same with our upcoming May China trip. It came across on a Travelzoo offer. We looked at the offer, looked at each other, said why not, and then booked. The date and price we wanted was gone in an hour.

When a good offer comes along we have found that we cannot mull it over for a few days. It will be long gone. We give it a good think, if the destination is on our list and the price is right we jump on it.
 
Two of my CEO stints included lots of travel. One had operations in 3 provinces and I would travel to them all every month. The other had operations in three countries so 10 days was away from home every month. I would not do that anymore.

I've traveled for work and traveled for pleasure.

Traveling for work is a grind.

Traveling for pleasure is a lot more fun. :D

My 2¢. Take what you wish and leave the rest.
 
I had lots of business travel. Too much in fact. Too many Sunday afternoon/night departures. Too many Friday arrivals that left me bagged for the weekend.

Having said that, we love to travel. Been doing it steady and frequently since early retirement. I have no doubt that our travel and modes of travel will change as we get older but for now we are getting it done.
 
I had lots of business travel. Too much in fact. Too many Sunday afternoon/night departures. Too many Friday arrivals that left me bagged for the weekend.



Having said that, we love to travel. Been doing it steady and frequently since early retirement. I have no doubt that our travel and modes of travel will change as we get older but for now we are getting it done.



Ditto. I got to the point that I really disliked business travel. However personal travel is VERY different, especially now that we're retired and can go at any time for any length of time to destinations we want to go to. We love it and hope we can continue for decades. Biggest challenge is prioritizing where we want to go!
 
Agree with you both, Scuba & Brett. We also find travel in retirement completely different than business travel. No comparison for us. We do feel sorry for stressed folks at airports that appear to be doing business travel. We wave them ahead of us and it makes us so glad we are no longer in the rat race.

Also agree that we might change the mode of travel and types of places we stay as we age, but for now it is all still a big adventure. Still so many places to see. We decided we should focus now on the places that are more difficult to get to and explore and save the easier, more "cushy" places for later. Also places we could explore in more cushy modes of travel, like on river cruises, for example. I don't think we will tire of travel, just maybe the way we do it now. Even now we find that we occasionally need to stay a few places for a month at a time to really settle in and get a taste of life as a local rather than being perpetual short time tourists, so we do that.

Of course, I do understand that travel is not on everyone's bucket list, but it is THE reason we wanted to ER. Everyone has their own passion.
 
Our first trip after FIRE was a seven month journey. Partway through we stopped in Florida (from Europe and Africa) on our way to Central America.

We had a great weekend special at the Hilton Melbourne Beach. We arrived just after noon an a Friday. There was a business event going on. Lots of 'suits' were coming out of the meeting room. It was a reminder for me as to why I pulled the plug.

This made me very nervous! DW asked if I missed this. Not for a minute. Got our room, went out and walked the beach. Why on earth would I prefer to be in a suit, sitting in one of 'those' seemingly endless meetings or rah rah sessions, or meeting with customers/clients, when I could be in shorts or jeans doing what we wanted to do, when we wanted to do it, and where we wanted to go. No comparison for us.
 
Our first trip after FIRE was a seven month journey. Partway through we stopped in Florida (from Europe and Africa) on our way to Central America.



We had a great weekend special at the Hilton Melbourne Beach. We arrived just after noon an a Friday. There was a business event going on. Lots of 'suits' were coming out of the meeting room. It was a reminder for me as to why I pulled the plug.



This made me very nervous! DW asked if I missed this. Not for a minute. Got our room, went out and walked the beach. Why on earth would I prefer to be in a suit, sitting in one of 'those' seemingly endless meetings or rah rah sessions, or meeting with customers/clients, when I could be in shorts or jeans doing what we wanted to do, when we wanted to do it, and where we wanted to go. No comparison for us.



I hope we can someday "graduate" to your travel style. I love the idea of having limited reservations and maximum flexibility. For now, I think Step 1 will be to try to take advantage of last minute deals. We have a dog so our ability to just take off and travel indefinitely is limited as long as we have him. I'm willing to leave him with his pet sitter for a month, but that's about it.
 
DW and I love to travel. The excitement of visiting new places, hiking great vistas, tasting local foods, cooking local fare in our VRBO condo, trying new wines and meeting new people.

DW and I equally love returning back home.
 
I was used to business travel. Everything planned. We did the same on vacations when I worked because we had a limited time horizon.

It took some time to get use to winging it as it were. At first I wanted to plan everything. Not anymore. We research where we want to go in general and we do make some reservations well ahead of time. Mostly for hotels on our first stop. After than we usually book two or three days out. An added benefit is that we often find it financially advantageous to book a day or two ahead.

We find that now we are retired we can, and often do, want to spend additinal time in certain locales. We do not want feel pressured to move on to another location simply because we have reservations/arrangements. Last year in Saigon we were planning to go to the coast. No reservations. Then we saw a $25 one way flight to DaLat in the mountains. So we decided to go there, and then to the coast. This turned out to be a very enjoyable stop that we would have otherwise missed had we had everything booked. Now, we seldom book return air. It is invariably open jaw or one way.
 
I'm absolutely looking forward to the additional travel flexibility during retirement.

Even though we both have fairly generous vacation allotments, I feel we have to get bang for our vacation days. Right now we built detailed frameworks for our trips but the goal in retirement is make more decisions on the fly based on how things are playing out.
 
Now, partly because of out of country medical insurance and partly because my spouse really does not like to be gone for more than two months we put two bookends on our travel.

So in Jan we leave for two months. The only hard dates and itinerary is our open jaw air ticket. Everything in between is subject to change. At this point we only know the hotel where will we will be staying on our first three nights.
 
I go along with Mark Tain's comments"
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime



Ditto. I was going to post this same quote but then I saw you had posted it.

I basically love to learn about other people and their cultures. To see their history and eat their food. To simply walk their streets and enjoy a glass of wine at sunset. To chat with them about nothing and everything...
 
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I tore this from the Tarom (Romanian airline) flight magazine on a recent cheap, 40 minute, internal flight from Timisoara to Bucharest, and have transposed it:

The Traveler

"I've met an enormous number of tourists up to this point, but rarely have I met travelers. Those who take the road pushed by a relentless thirst, all alone, dragged forward by a lust to run away and not by opportunity or other's motivation. They are the people who, upon return, when they tell you about their adventures, they whisper, in a frugal manner, as if speaking about those places would take their magic away. They are the ones who come home with brute stones, with rumpled drawings received from a street artist, with a broken sea shell or a jar full of whatnots, that for them, gathered and and locked under a plated cover, mean the world.

They are few, you recognize them by the light in their eyes that turns on when someone tells them about a hidden city, abandoned ruins, virgin forests or untouched places surrounded by mystery and authenticity. And you never know when they come, nor when they go and how many worlds they traveled up and down, you can only guess by reading the wrinkles left by the sun and wind on their happy faces.

We have a lot to learn from travelers. To learn how to get lost, to forget our luggage at home, to stop planning, to turn off the map, to let go of uncertainty, doubt and fear of the unknown. Happiness is there, we just need to stop calculating less like a nitpicker when we reach it, where will be staying and does it also come with a bed & breakfast. Let's be travelers. A plane ticket and a lot of relaxation. That is all we need."

Olivia Vereha
 
... Let's be travelers. A plane ticket and a lot of relaxation. That is all we need.

Olivia Vereha

This year, we will do it in an RV to Alaska for 2 months. Does that count? :)
 
"I've met an enormous number of tourists up to this point, but rarely have I met travelers. Those who take the road pushed by a relentless thirst, all alone, dragged forward by a lust to run away and not by opportunity or other's motivation. ...
Very insightful and I suspect not very common. Especially not on ER. We are planners.

I think perpetual travelers might qualify but they are not here either.
 
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