Sincere apology to Tiger

[JJpop]

Oh big woo. seriously. Tiger cheated on his wife, since I don't sleep with him, that's his/her problem not mine. If I had a dollar for every dude famous or not that cheated on his gal, I'd have retired at 20. lol, I got my current house below cost because the gay couple who owned it where in the middle of a big break up. Same sex, same story, guy left his boyfriend of 30 years for his young salesmen at the office.

Anyhoo highly doubt that this will be a blip on his legacy, lol just got to see Hamilton on Broadway, not only did he have an affair, dude wrote a newspaper article about it, his son got killed over it and his wife still made sure his legacy continued on.

won't get into the tipping argument because I hate the entire American tipping set up.

When I want perfection I talk to Jesus, lol everyone else is suspect.

The problem of course is when kids start idolizing him and he becomes a roll model.Yea,Maybe athletes should not be role models but when he is the face of a sport and his advertisements saturate all forms of media he becomes one like it or not.Nobody expects perfection.He lost most of his endorsements.People watch sports and do not want to have to think about real life.They will overlook the personal garbage to enjoy their fantasy.The red line will be if he is ever exposed for juicing.There would be no second chance for that in his case.

 

[Bestwifeever]

I read where Rory and others his age watched Tiger play while they were growing up and all said they wanted to “play” like him, not “be” like him, and they copied his work ethic and now they do play like him. One can throw unfounded steroid suspicions at anyone but the other golfers seem to like him and his competitors certainly seemed happy for his win at Augusta. He’s been very good for golf.

 

[easysurfer]

The problem of course is when kids start idolizing him and he becomes a roll model.Yea,Maybe athletes should not be role models but when he is the face of a sport and his advertisements saturate all forms of media he becomes one like it or not.Nobody expects perfection.He lost most of his endorsements.People watch sports and do not want to have to think about real life.They will overlook the personal garbage to enjoy their fantasy.The red line will be if he is ever exposed for juicing.There would be no second chance for that in his case.

When I look at the trajectory of Tiger's career on the green a fair comparison I'd say is like that of Mickey Mantle.

Yes, different sport but Mantle too was idolized by kids. Away from the game, he known as a womanizer and partied and drank and drank. Both their careers leave a what could have been. Mantle could've been maybe the best ball player in history had he not partied so much.

Full disclosure, Mantle was before my time and I'm not really a huge golf or Tiger fan. Yet, I believe in being consistent not having one way to look at one sports hero and then another for a different sports hero.

 

[JJpop]

I read where Rory and others his age watched Tiger play while they were growing up and all said they wanted to “play” like him, not “be” like him, and they copied his work ethic and now they do play like him. One can throw unfounded steroid suspicions at anyone but the other golfers seem to like him and his competitors certainly seemed happy for his win at Augusta. He’s been very good for golf.

I would certainly not say he is one of the best liked players on tour by any means.Bonds,McGuire and Sosa were great for baseball in terms of fan interest and making money.They pretty much saved the sport.Why would the players not be happy for him when he is the one who makes golf popular to the masses and benefits them.
Besides,even if he did juice,it is still a remarkable comeback and very historic.I am not saying he took steroids.I am saying I have a valid reason to be suspicious that he may have.I am not the one who chose to be treated by a known steroid doc,he did.Why would someone of his wealth,fame and stature be so foolish?Maybe it was perfectly innocent and just more poor judgement on his part.
Someday we may find out that he juiced but I hope not.I guess I am just more cynical because I live in the Bay Area and lived through watching Bonds become Superman on a daily basis.
Tiger was visited almost 70 times and paid out about 200,000 in fees to 2 well known juicing docs that supplied HGH to other athletes.That is a known fact.What is not known is what exactly happened and how many other visits he may have had that are undocumented over the years.Very difficult to just ignore this as nothing when you look at his history on and off the course.At least it is for me.

 

[Music Lover]

The red line will be if he is ever exposed for juicing.There would be no second chance for that in his case.

Enough with the juicing accusations already. A golf ball weighs 1.62 ounces and the average club weighs a pound or so. Golf is mostly about technique, not strength. There are 110 pound women who can hit the ball 280 yards, which is 90% the distance that Tiger hits.

I used to work with a guy who was 5'10", 180 who used to enter long drive contests. I've seen him go driver, 8-iron on a 530 yard hole, and he didn't even go to the gym.

 

[Bestwifeever]

I would certainly not say he is one of the best liked players on tour by any means.Bonds,McGuire and Sosa were great for baseball in terms of fan interest and making money.They pretty much saved the sport.Why would the players not be happy for him when he is the one who makes golf popular to the masses and benefits them.
Besides,even if he did juice,it is still a remarkable comeback and very historic.I am not saying he took steroids.I am saying I have a valid reason to be suspicious that he may have.I am not the one who chose to be treated by a known steroid doc,he did.Why would someone of his wealth,fame and stature be so foolish?Maybe it was perfectly innocent and just more poor judgement on his part.
Someday we may find out that he juiced but I hope not.I guess I am just more cynical because I live in the Bay Area and lived through watching Bonds become Superman on a daily basis.
Tiger was visited almost 70 times and paid out about 200,000 in fees to 2 well known juicing docs that supplied HGH to other athletes.That is a known fact.What is not known is what exactly happened and how many other visits he may have had that are undocumented over the years.Very difficult to just ignore this as nothing when you look at his history on and off the course.At least it is for me.

I get that you don’t like him, which is fine. A lot of people don’t. I just like watching him play and had fun texting my golfing son (who does like him) during the Master’s (DH thinks golf in any form is a synonym for torture so it falls on me ). I don’t think the other playing pros would have been happy for someone winning the Masters again with an unfair “juice” advantage. If you know all about it, surely they and the golf hierarchy would too. If you are saying the golf world is turning a blind eye to it, then others must be getting away with it, too, and it isn’t just Tiger you should have no respect for but all of golf.

We had Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire in the Midwest—we can be cynical too.

 

[JJpop]

Enough with the juicing accusations already. A golf ball weighs 1.62 ounces and the average club weighs a pound or so. Golf is mostly about technique, not strength. There are 110 pound women who can hit the ball 280 yards, which is 90% the distance that Tiger hits.

I used to work with a guy who was 5'10", 180 who used to enter long drive contests. I've seen him go driver, 8-iron on a 530 yard hole, and he didn't even go to the gym.

You should research the many ways that juicing can enhance performance.Hitting the golf ball a long way is not what makes a great golfer.Can your co worker even break 90 on a course like Augusta?100?

 

[JJpop]

I get that you don’t like him, which is fine. A lot of people don’t. I just like watching him play and had fun texting my golfing son (who does like him) during the Master’s (DH thinks golf in any form is a synonym for torture so it falls on me ). I don’t think the other playing pros would have been happy for someone winning the Masters again with an unfair “juice” advantage. If you know all about it, surely they and the golf hierarchy would too. If you are saying the golf world is turning a blind eye to it, then others must be getting away with it, too, and it isn’t just Tiger you should have no respect for but all of golf.

We had Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire in the Midwest—we can be cynical too.

Like I said,I do not know.I do have an open mind about the possibility and you should as well.
How many years did baseball let the juicers go?Lance Armstrong did not take anything either,until he did.People can be very sophisticated and very good at covering their tracks,especially when they have unlimited finances.I have no doubt that there are some golfers on stuff,just like all the other sports.
I actually do not like or dislike Tiger.I actually feel sorry for him,up to a point,about what caused him to go off the rails with the women.Must have been tough growing up for him in a lot of ways.
Anyway,I am done with Tiger and the juicing suspicions.I made my point which I believe to be valid and I hope my suspicions turn out to be false.Moving on.

 

[Brat]

Tiger brought life back to golf, it was dying before his performance caught the attention of the public. When he stepped back attention wained. When he is in a tournament more people watch the event. He is a rainmaker.

 

[aja8888]

You should research the many ways that juicing can enhance performance.Hitting the golf ball a long way is not what makes a great golfer.Can your co worker even break 90 on a course like Augusta?100?

Drive for show, putt for dough ($$). The game is won on the green where juicing with steroids won't help (and may hinder).

 

[bclover]

The problem of course is when kids start idolizing him and he becomes a roll model.Yea,Maybe athletes should not be role models but when he is the face of a sport and his advertisements saturate all forms of media he becomes one like it or not.Nobody expects perfection.He lost most of his endorsements.People watch sports and do not want to have to think about real life.They will overlook the personal garbage to enjoy their fantasy.The red line will be if he is ever exposed for juicing.There would be no second chance for that in his case.

You know, I really do think we sell our kids short, as if they are mindless lumps of clay.

Sports stars have always been idolized, ALWAYS. now of course the big difference is that there are cameras every where and nothing is private. Babe Ruth, shoeless Joe, lol anyone remember "say it ain't so joe". Lance Armstrong are a few right off the top of my head. I remember when Charles Barkley played ball and was famous for acting like a knucklehead and of course, Michael Jordan was the biggest male whore on the East coast. lol, I admired Juanita for hanging in there with him and getting a huge paycheck.

When most kids said "I want to be like Mike" it was for his basketball skills, then kids grow up and realize their heroes are human.

 

[Nick12]

Tiger was always visible when he was in town in Florida where he has his homes and condos, hanging with his buddies and his followers. Aside from his past misgivings which was well documented we knew him as good ol Tiger and we never lost faith in him. Congrats Tiger!

 

[zinger1457]

You should research the many ways that juicing can enhance performance.Hitting the golf ball a long way is not what makes a great golfer.Can your co worker even break 90 on a course like Augusta?100?

Tiger's best golf was probably back in 1999/2000 when he was still a skinny lanky kid, hit it a mile past everyone else, and was coached by Butch Harmon. Once he dumped Harmon it seemed he was always trying to get his game back to that earlier level. He had some excellent years after that but he never played to that high level IMO. If he did juice it certainly didn't improve his game or take it to the next level like it did some of the well known baseball sluggers (Sosa, McGuire, Bonds).

 

[Nick12]

Tiger's best golf was probably back in 1999/2000 when he was still a skinny lanky kid, hit it a mile past everyone else, and was coached by Butch Harmon. Once he dumped Harmon it seemed he was always trying to get his game back to that earlier level. He had some excellent years after that but he never played to that high level IMO. If he did juice it certainly didn't improve his game or take it to the next level like it did some of the well known baseball sluggers (Sosa, McGuire, Bonds).

Living in the golf capital of the world, Florida, I have seen pro golfers do some serious workouts with weights in the local gyms. Tiger's main home in Jupiter, FL has a fully equipped gym so that may explain his ripped body at his age.

 

[Montecfo]

Tiger fails to make the cut at PGA. I think the coronation was a bit premature.

 

[Bir48die]

Coronation of Miss USA?

 

[robnplunder]

Tiger fails to make the cut at PGA. I think the coronation was a bit premature.

What coronation? I am just amazed that he came back to win, not one, but two tournaments, the 2nd one being a major. He will never be the old Tiger, ruling over all his peers with dominance. That golf era is gone, perhaps, forever. Since Tiger, #1 ranking has been a musical chair and it will likely to continue that way.







And someone mentioned his being a womanizer. Can someone name one super sports star who wasn't? It comes with the role whether we approve it or not. When I posted this thread, I was just focusing on Tiger's sports achievement. I can't say I like him as a person but that's not the point of this thread.

 

[Midpack]

And someone mentioned his being a womanizer. Can someone name one super sports star who wasn't? It comes with the role whether we approve it or not. When I posted this thread, I was just focusing on Tiger's sports achievement. I can't say I like him as a person but that's not the point of this thread.

One? Might be more common among pro athletes/celebrities but that’s overly cynical. There are plenty I’m sure, Steph Curry, LeBron James, Phil Mickelsen without digging...

 

[Mdlerth]

Happy Birthday, girl!

And someone mentioned his being a womanizer. Can someone name one super sports star who wasn't?

Venus Williams.

BTW, today's her birthday! She's now the same age as Jack Benny.

 

[RAE]

And someone mentioned his being a womanizer. Can someone name one super sports star who wasn't? It comes with the role whether we approve it or not.

This was covered earlier in this thread. There are many sports stars who were not womanizers. Bart Starr is one example. Jack Nicklaus. Why do you assume all sports stars have to be womanizers?

 

[Montecfo]

This was covered earlier in this thread. There are many sports stars who were not womanizers. Bart Starr is one example. Jack Nicklaus. Why do you assume all sports stars have to be womanizers?

Well said.

 

[HFWR]

This was covered earlier in this thread. There are many sports stars who were not womanizers. Bart Starr is one example. Jack Nicklaus. Why do you assume all sports stars have to be womanizers?

Because many are? [emoji12]

What about the women in these scenarios? Are they “manizers”?

 

[Music Lover]

Because many are? [emoji12]

Most professional athletes were great when they were teenagers and enjoyed the adoration of men and women alike. It's not hard to fathom many of them making poor decisions, both financially and with women.

What about the women in these scenarios? Are they “manizers”?

They're groupies and are very common in sports and music. Some are just fans who want to bed a star, but some are looking for a sugar daddy. In the documentary series "30 for 30" in an episode called "Broke" they told how when an athlete showed up at a bar how the social network got into action and spread the word. Shortly after that the bar was overrun by dozens of women hoping to hook up with the star.

I'm not making excuses for the athletes, but when you put a lot of teenage/early 20 males in that situation, many of them who grew up being adored with women throwing themselves at them and adults covering for their indiscretions then many of them will make bad choices.

 

[easysurfer]

This was covered earlier in this thread. There are many sports stars who were not womanizers. Bart Starr is one example. Jack Nicklaus. Why do you assume all sports stars have to be womanizers?

Not all sports stars are womanizers.

But I do think that fame and fortune does bring on more opportunity.

I bet if there was an honest survey among women, more would throw themselves at men if they are rich and famous than broke and unheard of.

Not picking on women as I'm sure that rich and famous women have their share of male [-]stalkers[/-] followers. (Though, too I'm sure not all male Taylor Swift followers are stalkers).

 

[robnplunder]

This was covered earlier in this thread. There are many sports stars who were not womanizers. Bart Starr is one example. Jack Nicklaus. Why do you assume all sports stars have to be womanizers?

Come on, RAE and others. I was being cynical here. Do I really believe ALL sports stars are womanizers? No. But you get my point, do you? I am just saying Tiger is no saint but there is no reason to put him on higher ground when it is pretty obvious that he is not alone in that aspect. You don't have to go too far on this. What is the percentage of Americans who had affairs while they were married? I remember it as more than half. Celebrities will have much more temptations and opportunities to go astray.

Lastly, those who gave specific examples of superstars being faithful, do you *really* know for sure? How may times were we surprised that someone we thought was a faithful celebrity ... wasn't.