Oenophiles?

I have not had the occasion to sample the above wines, but here are the reviews I found on the Web.
Even here my NY wines still get no respect.
Richards Wild Irish Rose review found:
I used to drink this every weekend it was a good buzz for cheap alcohol nowadays you would get a better buzz by just hitting yourself in the head with a hammer.
 
Costco is our savior, otherwise we'd be living in a wine desert and have to order good wine. We buy bottled wine.

P.S. Boxed wine can be high quality. The French use boxed wine a lot at home.
 
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Sometimes, I drink wine the normal way. Sometimes, I drink it with ice. :)

The wine I drink with ice is the daily drinker, which is not expensive.


PS. I wanted to see whose feathers I ruffled. ;)

DW likes ice in her white wine, I will bring her the ice cubes when she is drinking my wine. If she is drinking anything other than my wine, I would ice it for her.

A friend drinks his reds with ice, however, 4 years ago he would never touch a dry red of any variety. He will come around once his improves some more. ?
 
DW likes ice in her white wine, I will bring her the ice cubes when she is drinking my wine. If she is drinking anything other than my wine, I would ice it for her.

A friend drinks his reds with ice, however, 4 years ago he would never touch a dry red of any variety. He will come around once his improves some more. ?

I came across a summer game-changer at an outdoor restaurant a few years ago. They offered to put frozen grapes in your wine as you sat on the patio. I now keep a ziploc bag of frozen table grapes in the freezer.
 
Since neither of my parents drank wine (or anything else) I learned about wine as I walked past the cemetery on my way home from school each day. There was a long stretch of cast iron fence along one side of the graveyard. Folks heading home seemed to like to pitch their empty wine (and beer) bottles at the fence. When all you do is drink, you occasionally need another diversion I guess. So, I got to know all the "good" names in wine because, it was the rare wino who could actually hit the fence from their moving car. Most of the bottles ended up intact below the fence.

But, in an effort to educate those less familiar with "bargain" wines, I found this site which I though might elevate our discussion - no particular glass (or any glass for that matter) needed. Enjoy since YMMV.

BumWine.com

By the way, my favorite wine name is MD 20/20. The catchy street name is Mad Dog 20/20 (but really Mogen David which reminds me of a favorite song.)


Now returning you to our discussion of oenophiles - whatever that is.
 
I came across a summer game-changer at an outdoor restaurant a few years ago. They offered to put frozen grapes in your wine as you sat on the patio. I now keep a ziploc bag of frozen table grapes in the freezer.


DW has some kind of plastic freezer pack "ice cubes" that she will use when she wants a white that we don't have chilled. That way she can chill it w/o watering it down.

The frozen grapes are a good idea too.

-ERD50
 
I came across a summer game-changer at an outdoor restaurant a few years ago. They offered to put frozen grapes in your wine as you sat on the patio. I now keep a ziploc bag of frozen table grapes in the freezer.



Great idea!
 
DW has some kind of plastic freezer pack "ice cubes" that she will use when she wants a white that we don't have chilled. That way she can chill it w/o watering it down.

The frozen grapes are a good idea too.

-ERD50
Any idea where to get these "ice cubes"?
 
Thanks ERD50 and Winemaker. Never heards of whiskey stones. Any idea how quickly they get cold and warm again compared to the silcon ones? I know about the effectiveness of BBQ stones.
 
I'm just going to say it's relative to the environment they're in. I may have a glass or two of bourbon in the winter months. My whiskey stash is also located in my wine cellar at about 55-59 degrees, and I'll through a stone or two in a I sip for the evening. Haven't used them for wine, as I enjoy my reds 60-65. My whites I chill to about 45-50, and my wife adds ice, truly I think to dilute the wine since she only weighs 115# or so to my 240#. I don't think the same set of stones or cubes would last an evening on a Mexican deck in the summer.

I proposed the stones as to their appearance, and two fold use. I don't know if a multicolored ice cube may give an unappetizing green or blue hue in a glass of wine. After all, appearance, color and clarity are tasting points for any beverage not only wine.
 
Another alternative is huge ice cubes. The big square or round ones, that only fit one to a glass - you can buy silicone molds for them and make yourself in your freezer. They are supposed to melt far slower than regular small cubes. Great for if you like your whiskey neat but chilled.
 
I'm just going to say it's relative to the environment they're in. I may have a glass or two of bourbon in the winter months. My whiskey stash is also located in my wine cellar at about 55-59 degrees, and I'll through a stone or two in a I sip for the evening. Haven't used them for wine, as I enjoy my reds 60-65. My whites I chill to about 45-50, and my wife adds ice, truly I think to dilute the wine since she only weighs 115# or so to my 240#. I don't think the same set of stones or cubes would last an evening on a Mexican deck in the summer.

I proposed the stones as to their appearance, and two fold use. I don't know if a multicolored ice cube may give an unappetizing green or blue hue in a glass of wine. After all, appearance, color and clarity are tasting points for any beverage not only wine.

We are wine geeks and agree 100% on your temps for storage and serving. Just wondering - do you de-cant, or serve out of the bottle?
 
...My daughter was mad I tipped the guy at all, as he also charged us for a drink we didn't order on the final bill.

Am I being too fussy, or do you think the type of wine glass makes a difference to your enjoyment of the wine?
When I find an extra item on the bill, I note that the tip has been reduced by the item's cost. No point in giving such people another chance!

Wine must be served at the appropriate temp in a suitable glass to get any tip at all. And if I order a glass of their house wine, it better not be corked. If it is, I just return it.
 
Speaking of wine, I recall the following from a book mentioned by Chuckanut in a thread last year: Extra Virgin Amongst the Olive Groves of Liguria, Annie Hawes, 2001.

The British author bought a small primitive place in the hills a few miles inland from Diano Marina, which was meant to be a place for a town inhabitant to spend a night or two during the grape or olive harvest season, and not as a permanent housing. She recounted many interesting anecdotes about the peculiar and charming habits of the locals. Some of them spoke mainly Ligurian, and were not even well versed in the common Italian language.

Initially, she kept hearing them referring to wine as vino d'uva. which means grape vine. She asked if they also made wine from other fruits besides grape, to which they said no. Then, why not simply called it vino, she asked. The locals replied that they wanted to distinguish their homemade wine from commercial wines bought in bottles at the stores. The latter is made from grape all right, but who knows what else is put in there, they said.

The homemade wine was stored in jugs, and topped off with a layer of olive oil, also home made, on top to seal the surface of the wine from air. After pouring, they just blew off the droplets of oil that float on top of the wine.

Very interesting book, and full of stories that one would not find elsewhere. The author hung around with the locals and peasants in Liguria, and knew a lot more about their customs and habit, and had so many interesting stories to tell, more than the best-seller memoirs of Peter Mayle covering his time among the Provencial French. Mayle was a millionaire, and he observed the local French from a distance, and did not mingle with the laborers and peasants. Books by Annie Hawes would sell much better, if she had an editor to organize the content differently.


In her book, Annie Hawes also described how her paisano friends made wine. They first stomped the grapes by feet in an old bathtub, then dumped the whole thing into a large vat to ferment for four days. The mosto was then scooped from the vat, and the young wine extracted using an old wine press with a wooden screw. Their old wine press would look similar to this one:


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The pomace was extracted after pressing, and the frugal Italians picked out the twigs and stems, and saved the grape skins for another pressing. While the heavy job of running the press was done by men, the women had the lighter job of picking and saving the grape skins. And that was when Annie discovered an inadvertent ingredient in the wine: snails.


Every dozen or so bucketful, when the wine press gets too full up with solid remnants to take out any mosto, the men undo its four big wing-nuts, heave out a two-foot thick round damp mat of heavily crushed grape twigs and skins from the bottom of the device, and chuck it over to us. We shake out and unravel the tangly matted things, pulling out as much of the damp twiggly innards of the grape bunches as we can and throwing them away on to the olive tree fascia below us, where they will quickly biodegrade over the winter. The rest, mostly grape skins, we keep in a big wine-reeking pile to one side. They will go back through the wine press again when the first pressing's over. Not only is there lots of wine left in there, say the experts, but it's the skins that give the wine its colour and perfume.

Considering what shy and elusive creatures they usually are in this hot and sunny land, I am surprise, as I shake out my grape mats, at the rather large number of crunchy crushed snails in among the crushed grapes. I wonder whether I'm supposed to pick them out as well. Obviously not: Antonietta ignores hers. Snails are just part of the recipe. And since they have been sitting fermenting away in the wine vats all week, I don't suppose there is much point in not squeezing every last drop out of them now. Still, I can't resist mentioning it. Vino d'uva e lumaccha, I say, wine of grapes and snails. Antonietta, predictably, cackles happily and says it all adds to the flavor...


At what phase did the snails introduce themselves to the recipe? I suspect that it was during the fermentation phase. A well-known snail bait is a dish of beer placed on the ground. Snails crawl to the dish to drink the beer, and die in the dish. Here, hordes of snails got attracted by the fermenting mash in the vats, crawled up and fell in.
 
In her book, Annie Hawes also described how her paisano friends made wine. They first stomped the grapes by feet in an old bathtub, then dumped the whole thing into a large vat to ferment for four days. The mosto was then scooped from the vat, and the young wine extracted using an old wine press with a wooden screw. Their old wine press would look similar to this one:


800px-Wine_press_from_16th_century.jpg




The pomace was extracted after pressing, and the frugal Italians picked out the twigs and stems, and saved the grape skins for another pressing. While the heavy job of running the press was done by men, the women had the lighter job of picking and saving the grape skins. And that was when Annie discovered an inadvertent ingredient in the wine: snails.





At what phase did the snails introduce themselves to the recipe? I suspect that it was during the fermentation phase. A well-known snail bait is a dish of beer placed on the ground. Snails crawl to the dish to drink the beer, and die in the dish. Here, hordes of snails got attracted by the fermenting mash in the vats, crawled up and fell in.

Insects do live in grape bunches, but the grapes should be inspected and all MOG should be removed. MOG= material other than grapes.
 
Insects do live in grape bunches, but the grapes should be inspected and all MOG should be removed. MOG= material other than grapes.

In Annie Hawes' book, a couple of paragraphs above the ones I quoted, Annie wrote of participating in the grape stomping phase. She did not see any snail then.

Curiously, while she was washing her feet to prepare for this stomping work, she had her bar of soap snatched from her hand. No chemical allowed, admonished her friend.

But snails are OK. They are organic. :)
 
In Annie Hawes' book, a couple of paragraphs above the ones I quoted, Annie wrote of participating in the grape stomping phase. She did not see any snail then.

Curiously, while she was washing her feet to prepare for this stomping work, she had her bar of soap snatched from her hand. No chemical allowed, admonished her friend.

But snails are OK. They are organic. :)

Great book. All of those who endorse it here should get an autographed copy from the author. I also enjoy the jousting the gals did with Franco (sp?) also know as Il Coltello (the knife).
 
In Annie Hawes' book, a couple of paragraphs above the ones I quoted, Annie wrote of participating in the grape stomping phase. She did not see any snail then.

Curiously, while she was washing her feet to prepare for this stomping work, she had her bar of soap snatched from her hand. No chemical allowed, admonished her friend.

But snails are OK. They are organic. :)

You can have my share.:yuk:
 
I just made some wild blackberry wine. I took 40# of blackberries picked in the field behind my house and my sister house a few miles away. After sorting by eyesight, the berries were put in a 6 gallon bucket with some water, the theory was that any bad berries would float. They were measured and stuck in the freezer for a few days to help break the cell walls to release more juice. While I removed a few bad ones, it wasn't until after fermentation, that I discovered some larvae in the leftover pulp. Yes, they were organic, and pestcide free.

Sometimes, second wines are produced when the leftover pomace has some sugar water added, and the fermentation is repeated. This is sometimes mistakenly referred to as grappa. Grappa is made from gently pressed skins left over from white grapes, since white wines are fermented from juice and not the whole grape like reds.

The latest fad is "orange wines" where white grapes are crushed then left to leach out some color and flavor for a few hours. this allows them to pick up an orange tinge or so. Not a fan.
 
While I removed a few bad ones, it wasn't until after fermentation, that I discovered some larvae in the leftover pulp. Yes, they were organic, and pestcide free.

IIRC, most federal food purity standards have an allowance for a certain amount of 'insect parts' and such. It's part of life and we are adapted to it. I could grow my own apples, pick them off my tree, wash them and there still might be some little bit of a bug somewhere on it.

Isn't there a theory that things like asthma are partially caused by kids who don't play in the dirt and eat unclean stuff like I did as a youth? Something about the immune system not being as good as it should be. So exercise your immune system and eat a bug now and then. :)
 
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