Mr._johngalt said:Well, a Ray of hope.
JG
GGGGHHHHHHAAAAA - what have I done : : : :
Mr._johngalt said:Well, a Ray of hope.
JG
Maddy the Turbo Beagle said:depends on where you think the truth is...with the drug companies that want to sell anti-depressants?
Just blaming people for their weaknesses and turning away to me violates the second commandment of loving your neighbor as yourself. I don't mean sound like a bible thumper but believe we are our brothers keeper.
Lena said:It's good to know that people are OK with complete lack of personal responsibility. Can't wait to see where we'll be in the next 10-20yrs
samclem said:What I take issue with is the use of the coercive power of government or use of tax money for these projects.
Which earns more moral points: Doing something as an individual to solve a problem, or urging that the resources of other people be seized in order to solve it?
I think we've already lost that battle.samclem said:What I take issue with is the use of the coercive power of government or use of tax money for these projects.
Which earns more moral points: Doing something as an individual to solve a problem, or urging that the resources of other people be seized in order to solve it?
samclem said:"Witness" to obese people you see every day.
Cal said:I do see that some want to limit government's involvement, especially in matters that one would consider personal. I can see the slippery slope - how much does government interfere, just what can/should be mandated? But what bothers me with the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" mentality is the disregard of how much business and advertising have effected society.
What has changed in the last 50-100 years? How much research and "focus group studies" have been done to find people's "buttons"? Look at all the investment tobacco companies have made in perfecting the "most addictive" ways to deliver nicotene. How much money do advertisers spend to tell you that some sugar filled crap is really good for you? Frosted Flakes is part of a "balanced diet".
I've had a serious issue with my weight for years and only recently have been able to get it under control. You think the "right" information is out there? Heck, look at the threads we have here - is being a vegetarian healthy? All of us can pull "sources" that tell us fat is bad - fat really isn't the problem, it's carbs - well, it's not carbs, it's the glycemic load - it really doesn't matter what you eat, only total calories in versus calories out - blah, blah,blah.
With respect to Rich in Tampa, how many of us are really qualified to sift thru all of this stuff and know what's "right" and what's not? I'm not sure how I feel about government programs to address the issue, but I do know how I feel about all the corporate marketing and the corporate influence in places like the FDA.
sgeeeee said:20 pages on obesity -- this board posts like Americans eat.
I have to say that I am amazed. And I shouldn't be. Maybe it is the torturing of the "brother's keeper" statement. I know we have a blame culture. I know that personal responsibility is the theme of the United States. But why is self reliance so all consumingly important? What is wrong with community making things better for everyone? I honestly and truely do not understand
Lena said:You are correct. We do have a blame culture, but it's "let's find out who else we can blame" culture.
Lena
lets-retire said:The government puts out the food pyramid. In fact you could probably do a quick search for it on the net and find all kinds of information.
Martha said:I have to say that I am amazed. And I shouldn't be. Maybe it is the torturing of the "brother's keeper" statement. I know we have a blame culture. I know that personal responsibility is the theme of the United States. But why is self reliance so all consumingly important? What is wrong with community making things better for everyone? I honestly and truely do not understand.
2soon2tell said:I just feel that some people lack the motivation, drive, knowledge, etc. to personally master their obesity problem.
Lena said:I am not sure where you got the idea that I propose "every man for himself" philosophy. However, there has to be a point at which we have to stop blaming McDonalds, our parents and society as a whole for our problems. No?
You are correct. We do have a blame culture, but it's "let's find out who else we can blame" culture.
I was raised in a very "community" oriented country. It didn't work as well as people hoped.
Lena